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If I understand correctly, they are killing exec in app homedir. I assume they would block exec in the sdcard too then. If that's the case, what's the workaround for installing and running things through termux's apt get?
The proposed workaround is that you distribute software through apps and allow Termux to essentially get plugins from other apps (whether distributed via the Play Store or sideloading).
Termux and Android 10
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Re: Termux and Android 10
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I think you've missed my point here, this goes _way_ further than this specific individual issue. The entire ecosystem is built on a model that turns it into a disposable toy and there's no sign that this is going away any time soon. Why do we need hobbyist movements to produce devices that we can actually run real software on and that won't be completely useless as soon as Google decide to update the API?
Yea, phones should not be designed to be replaced after 2 years. Phones from 6 years ago would still be plenty powerful if they weren't crippled by Google Services eating more and more resources. Google could use mainline kernels and force manufactures in the OHA to open source all their drivers, maybe even back PostmarketOS to prevent e-waste. You can take an old Pentium 4 laptop and still put modern Linux on it and…
Re: Termux and Android 10
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As someone who has been on Linux a long time, but still has to support family members using Windows, here's my perspective: 1) Linux is usually easier in the "happy case", where everything works as it should, and it supports everything that the user needs. 2) Linux is way way way less likely to just change something and break the whole system while the user is sleeping. (This was REAL fun with my grandparents-in-law…
I agree with this mostly, except for: > "copy and paste these config lines into this config" Copy-pasting things you don't understand into configs on Linux is hugely dangerous. It just happens that Linux desktop users aren't high value targets, so you usually get lucky.
Re: Termux and Android 10
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> Well, mainstream music is usually timeless, while less known genres just fade away when the generation that brought them up is gone. Hardly true. It's just they don't have the massive marketing machine of radio mainstream behind them, so they tend to have their dedicated fanbase and that's that. > GNU/Linux had its opportunity with OpenMoko, Maemo, netbooks, Steam machines. > OpenMoko & Maemo were fine Linux phones…
> I don't know why you have a hard cutoff for the opportunity there as being 'missed' and now nothing can be done. I guess, because after all these years GPL seems to have lost steam, with GCC and the Linux kernel being the only GPL relevant pieces that are still around. With efforts like Fuchsia, ARM mbed, Linux Foundation's own Zephyr OS, Amazon's RTOS, BSD adoption as basis for game console's OSes showing the dire…
I don't see how. The non-GPL efforts you mention are all in places where it hardly was GPL before or if it was, it was packaged in such a way that it hardly mattered.
Game consoles always used BSD because game companies are notoriously proprietary and don't care about free software, but they never did, so hardly any change there.
Android's kernel is GPL which does help as there's an ongoing effort to mainline more and more Android patches, but from an end-user perspective, because the userland is not GNU and Google never actually cared about Android as FLOSS a kernel change for Android doesn't mean much unless Android's current patches are mainlined and hardware OEMs start producing mainline-linux HW, at which point a differnt kernel would indeed be a loss for Linux, but as of now, nothing would fundamentally change, because it never meant much to began with.
> So most efforts to have a pure GNU/Linux device are bound to not survive long enough to keep a sustainable business.
If so, this has nothing to do with the GPL. Say the Librem 5 ran a BSD kernel. How would it suddenly become mainstream without Samsung's marketing budget?
If anything, the GPL is doing better than ever precisely because the issues around privacy are becoming more mainstream. I have family members asking about alternatives to iOS/Android that were not asking these in the OpenMonoko days, which gives me hope.
On the desktop, we now have Microsoft contributing GPL'ed code, which is something. Companies like NVidia do too nowdays.
I suspect what you may be perceiving is that unicorn SV startup libraries on GitHub tend to not be GPL and that's true, but I don't think they'd be releasing any code otherwise, since they don't care about free software in the first place, so in that sense it's at least a compromise.
Re: Termux and Android 10
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That would be ChromeOS tablets. Full linux terminal in container and all. Hasn't really made any difference.
About once every 2-3 months, something would be changed in ChromeOS that would break the crouton installation. The solution could be as simple as updating crouton, only 15-30 minutes of lost time, to switching to/from a later development version of ChromeOS, 3-4 hours of lost time as the entire hard drive is wiped and you need to rebuild the environment. The use of a Linux environment in ChromeOS should only be viewe…
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Basically I'm using Firefox, K9 for email, WhatsApp and Telegram to chat with friends, OSMAnd to plan and record bicycle tracks. Phone and camera. Plus mandatory banking apps or I won't be able to do home banking. If I buy a Linux phone I'd have to keep using my Android phone probably as my primary device. And I've been using Ubuntu laptops as my only working devices since 2009 so I'd love to use an Ubuntu phone. Unf…
Does your bank have a web interface?
I use Revolut, which has no web interface.
My main bank does have a web interface, but because they've made a complete mess of implementing PSD2, they also require you to use their app on a non-rooted device to confirm any web login.
Re: Termux and Android 10
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I agree with this mostly, except for: > "copy and paste these config lines into this config" Copy-pasting things you don't understand into configs on Linux is hugely dangerous. It just happens that Linux desktop users aren't high value targets, so you usually get lucky.
Yeah, I thought of that when I wrote that. I wrote it anyway, since in reality it's that's what we all do.
Re: Termux and Android 10
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Where supporting Ubuntu falls over is when I try and support "power users". There's like an uncanny valley of competence, between completely naive users who just let things run and experienced users who know where the red lines are when using sudo. So far I've seen the following breakages: - completely fuck up apt somehow such that it refuses to update or fix itself - overwrite packages with their own compiled versio…
yes, true. But what alternative do we have? If such a power user breaks windows registry in a _really_ bad way, the fastest solution, by far, is to just reinstall anything. And, again, if you are smart about having your /home folders on a separate partition, reinstalling Ubuntu is way faster. So even in this worst case scenario Windows loses.
Re: Termux and Android 10
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Depends on whether you have bothered to open them up and remove the hardware-based firmware write protect. The process is highly device-dependent, and seems to be entirely undocumented for many Chromebooks and other ChromeOS devices. YMMV.
That's a pretty high standard. You don't need to open it up for developer mode, which lets you mess around as root, chroot into a Linux distro, give the chroot control of the screen...
Re: Termux and Android 10
#320I'm having a hard time already in Android 6. I used to be able to do things like use Termux to move videos I'd downloaded in NewPipe into subdirectories and delete them; apparently with Android 6 I can't do that any more. What alternatives to Android are people using? I'm already not using the Play Store, just F-Droid and a couple of third-party apks.