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Re: Notion for everyone

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I mentioned this before. Notion is great, but the fact that they use fullstory (session recording) for a note taking app is a huge problem for me. We’re talking about potentially sensitive data being available to notion and perhaps fullstory employees for the sake of improving UX. I especially dislike the fact that they don’t disclose session recording upfront. I found out by inspecting their app webpage.

Sure there’s a way to opt out of fullstory in general, but that’s not very reliable.

I should mention that we use fullstory for our saas product and quite happy with it. However, our implementation makes it possible to opt out upfront during registration and or change your session recording settings from within our app. We don’t rely on fullstory or bs workarounds, we simply don’t load fullstory when you opt out.

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this is the only thing that stops me from using Notion, too. just downloaded it and it looks like it would change my life... except i don't own the data. right now i'm trying out Outline [1] which has an option for self hosting. [1] https://github.com/outline/outline

Would really appreciate your thoughts on this, if you have any initial feedback. We're considering the self-hosted option too - that's the big draw.

i've only been using it for a little bit, but here goes:

* unlike Notion, it's one workspace per instance. makes sense, but worth noting as using workspaces as for organisational purposes won't work so well here.

* for personal instances, Slack doesn't make all that much sense. i see a PR for LDAP support on GitHub, so i will play around with that

* supports embeds just like Notion - paste the link and it just works. supports codepen, figma, gsuite, youtube and others. this was the feature that made me take notice of notion, so it's good to see it here.

* even better, the embed API seems pretty easily extensible, so the sky's the limit here. i can't wait to make some sweet dashboards based on entirely self-hosted data!

* no mobile app is a bit of a bummer, but the PWA experience works pretty well. considering i'll be authoring predominantly on desktop and only reading on iPhone, this isn't so much of a big deal for my use case

* no auto-save :(

* you can share a read-only, fully public link of any page you want. pretty damn cool.

all in all i'm pretty impressed. it seems pretty robust! i mean, it's definitely not as full-fat as Notion, but perhaps that's a good thing - and OSS means it's easily extensible for whatever you need to use it for. who knows which way my opinion will change after some more extensive use, but this definitely shows promise.

Re: Notion for everyone

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This is kinda weird, because I was happily giving them $4/month after running out of space in their trial plan, and now I absolutely have no reason to keep giving them money. Which, sure, I guess I'll take it. My $4/month isn't going to make or break their business and they probably barely give a shit about getting money for personal usage. Does remind me that my usage of their app doesn't align with their business m…

Are there any open source Notion alternatives? This is the main benefit of open source software, in my mind: no one can "take" it from you because it doesn't belong to "them" in the same way that a product does.

I'm a happy user of QOwnNotes and Markor with a shared dir with a sync tool of your choice. Indeed, committing my data to a closed (source) silo is what prevents me from using tools like this (Notion does look very neat).

Re: Notion for everyone

#105

The one thing that bothers me about Notion (and Slack and other "everything in one place" tools), is the lack of encryption. I might have FAANGophobia, but whenever there is a free tier without a form of end-to-end encryption in place, it feels like a data puddle waiting to become a lake. That being said, having clear-text data would allow features like an API on publicly shared pages/blocks, to use Notion as a CMS.…

Standard Notes is end-to-end encrypted: https://standardnotes.org

Re: Notion for everyone

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post #102

I mentioned this before. Notion is great, but the fact that they use fullstory (session recording) for a note taking app is a huge problem for me. We’re talking about potentially sensitive data being available to notion and perhaps fullstory employees for the sake of improving UX. I especially dislike the fact that they don’t disclose session recording upfront. I found out by inspecting their app webpage. Sure there’…

Hi Yabood, we actually don't use Fullstory anymore due to privacy concerns. We removed it 6-9 months ago from all platforms. If you're still seeing this somewhere please let me know so we can address it.

Re: Notion for everyone

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After Evernote started going downhill, I moved to plain markdown inside a Google Drive folder. I use the best, native app for each platform and have zero risk of being affected by a single company cancelling, closing,, increasing the price etc.. Notion does seem pretty interesting, but if they ever shut, stop innovating, or are outshined by a competitor, I don't fancy the idea of moving everything

Can you recommend a markdown native app for Windows? Currently switching to simple markdown notes myself but a bit annoyed always opening VS Code for a tiny note.

Notable is great and open source.

https://notable.md/

Re: Notion for everyone

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post #98
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After Evernote started going downhill, I moved to plain markdown inside a Google Drive folder. I use the best, native app for each platform and have zero risk of being affected by a single company cancelling, closing,, increasing the price etc.. Notion does seem pretty interesting, but if they ever shut, stop innovating, or are outshined by a competitor, I don't fancy the idea of moving everything

Can you recommend a markdown native app for Windows? Currently switching to simple markdown notes myself but a bit annoyed always opening VS Code for a tiny note.

On Mac I use Ulysses. I hate that they switched to a subscription, but it's still the best Markdown app on the platform.

On Linux I use typora (previously caret when it basically shut down). typora and caret are built on web technologies and cross platform.

Oh Android I used to use and recommend JotterPad, but they've disgraced themselves and moved previously paid features (which I bought!) to a subscription, so I don't have an Android app anymore :(.

Re: Notion for everyone

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I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

I’ve had a similar experience with Notion. “Jack of all trades and master of none” resonates strongly with me. This lead me to my latest startup https://froosthq.com/ which is Notion inspired and aimed solely at software teams.

I would rephrase "all in one tool" to more specific like "project management tool". All in one for software teams makes me think that you also offer things like version control etc. All-in-one is a very loaded phrase. Just my 2 cents.
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