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GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. I honestly do not think you stand a chance competing against Skype, it is so insanely great and wide spread. I'd be impressed if they can actually make the UI/UX better than the latest (horrendous) Skype client. It's like the Diaspora of VoIP.

Maybe true, but give them a chance at least...

See firefox, inkscape as successful examples.

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #7

The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. I honestly do not think you stand a chance competing against Skype, it is so insanely great and wide spread. I'd be impressed if they can actually make the UI/UX better than the latest (horrendous) Skype client. It's like the Diaspora of VoIP.

> The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open.

While that is true, occasionally people care about the consequences of software being open. I think that skype is an example where this is true. I personally don't have any ideological problems with using non-free software, but I do mind the fact that skype on ubuntu is an abomination UI-wise (believe me, it is far far worse than the windows and osx versions), and I have never actually managed to make a call with it. I know that at least some of my (non-geek) friends share that pain.

Unfortunately I agree that the network effect probably means that the chances of any open alternative are slim to none.

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #7

The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. I honestly do not think you stand a chance competing against Skype, it is so insanely great and wide spread. I'd be impressed if they can actually make the UI/UX better than the latest (horrendous) Skype client. It's like the Diaspora of VoIP.

Maybe true, but give them a chance at least... See firefox, inkscape as successful examples.

neither of those have network effects, they can thrive in oligopoly markets, I think that communication is a winner takes all (ironically why you want it to be an open standard, but such is innovation from startups)

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #12
post #7

The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. I honestly do not think you stand a chance competing against Skype, it is so insanely great and wide spread. I'd be impressed if they can actually make the UI/UX better than the latest (horrendous) Skype client. It's like the Diaspora of VoIP.

> The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. While that is true, occasionally people care about the consequences of software being open. I think that skype is an example where this is true. I personally don't have any ideological problems with using non-free software, but I do mind the fact that skype on ubuntu is an abomination UI-wise (believe me, it is far far worse tha…

I would dispute that open source software was easier to use for the majority of products.

Agreed about Skype for Linux, mind.

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #7

The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. I honestly do not think you stand a chance competing against Skype, it is so insanely great and wide spread. I'd be impressed if they can actually make the UI/UX better than the latest (horrendous) Skype client. It's like the Diaspora of VoIP.

Widespread yes, but I for one hate it especially the user interface.

Not that it matters of course, the network effects are so strong it will be hard to beat.

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #14
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. While that is true, occasionally people care about the consequences of software being open. I think that skype is an example where this is true. I personally don't have any ideological problems with using non-free software, but I do mind the fact that skype on ubuntu is an abomination UI-wise (believe me, it is far far worse tha…

I would dispute that open source software was easier to use for the majority of products. Agreed about Skype for Linux, mind.

Oh, that was not what I meant to say. My point was just that, because skype and its protocol are closed, Linux users are stuck with their horrible implementation. If it was open, there would at least be the possibility of a compatible, decent alternative being developed.

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe true, but give them a chance at least... See firefox, inkscape as successful examples.

neither of those have network effects, they can thrive in oligopoly markets, I think that communication is a winner takes all (ironically why you want it to be an open standard, but such is innovation from startups)

skype alternatives do have a (small) chance despite strong network effects.

1/ policy makers do not like running a third-party closed-source obfuscated binary with undefined behavior aggressively evading firewalls inside their business or country (in the case of China).

2/ the network effects are not nearly as strong as, for instance, ebay's. i do not care about being able to call random strangers on skype, only about my contacts. the scope of the network effect is to some extent that of a social group, not an entire market.

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe true, but give them a chance at least... See firefox, inkscape as successful examples.

neither of those have network effects, they can thrive in oligopoly markets, I think that communication is a winner takes all (ironically why you want it to be an open standard, but such is innovation from startups)

Firefox and Inkscape have network effects, albeit more limited than Skype. The more people using Firefox, the more sites work with Firefox. Not a big issue now, but it was. And Firefox must have spread largely through word of mouth (actually anyone done research on how Firefox adoption did predominantly occur?). More people using Inkscape, more acceptable it is to use, and better it works with files one might receive (assuming Inkscape works a bit better with svg than with Illustrator or whatever that it must import), same for Open/LibreOffice (which definitely works better with ODF than OOXML). All software has network effects to some extent; a significant reason why using free/open source software is a matter of good citizenship, not just getting stuff done.

Re: GNU Free Call has been announced (Skype-like software)

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post #7

The sad fact of the matter is most people do not give a hoot about software being open. I honestly do not think you stand a chance competing against Skype, it is so insanely great and wide spread. I'd be impressed if they can actually make the UI/UX better than the latest (horrendous) Skype client. It's like the Diaspora of VoIP.

The fact that I will be able to build it from source does make a difference to me, and likely to several people I call. It doesn't matter to me if everyone uses it as long as the person I want to talk to does.
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