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The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by TLightful »

Angostura wrote: post #9
TLightful wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK response has been terrible in all respects. Please don't sugar coat it.

Nope, in many repects it's been pretty good. The respects that it has been very poor at was: * Being complacent about the country's testing capacity * stopping testing outside of hospitals once the containment phase was deemed over * PPE logistics. (tough global problem) * Support for care-homes. * Westminster's lack of care when it comes to coordinating the loosening of lock-down with the devolved countries It was a…

So, "nope", but, actually, "yeah".

* unclear and delayed response to pandemic,

* frequent lying and misinformation put out by ministers,

* considering herd immunity with no vaccine,

The list goes on and on ...

Yes, the furlough scheme, is decent. But smacks of just throwing money at the problem to save the day. It's not a coordinated response, and we'll be paying for it for generations.

I repeat my assertion. Thanks.

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by Angostura »

TLightful wrote: post #10
Angostura wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife is a doctor in a London hospital, from what I gather, there is no particular PPE problem there at the moment.

I'm sure the situation is uneven. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52671814

I absolutely agree the situation is likely to be uneven.

So this is a tough one. Most organisations will have general rules about not bad-mouthing the organisation publicly and running comms through s comms office. I absolutely agree people should be able to whistle-blow, but if you were managing a hospital you'd probably be wanting people not to go grumbling to the press.

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Angostura wrote: post #9
TLightful wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK response has been terrible in all respects. Please don't sugar coat it.

Nope, in many repects it's been pretty good. The respects that it has been very poor at was: * Being complacent about the country's testing capacity * stopping testing outside of hospitals once the containment phase was deemed over * PPE logistics. (tough global problem) * Support for care-homes. * Westminster's lack of care when it comes to coordinating the loosening of lock-down with the devolved countries It was a…

Yet we still have the worst death rate in Europe. Why was Germany so much better off than us.

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by teruakohatu »

makomk wrote: post #5
CodeGlitch wrote: post #3

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The lack of PPE is a world-wide problem. The UK imported tonnes of the stuff for Turkey, but it was deemed to be not fit for purpose. Other countries have been asking for water-proof coats, that can be used as washable over-garments. I don't think any government is going to come out of this scoring 100%.

It's a world-wide problem that the media in every Western country seem to be spinning as a unique failure of their government, often for cynical and stupid partisan reasons. Same with the global shortage of everything needed to carry out widespread coronavirus testing.

Agreed. We had the same stories here in New Zealand, a country which currently has 40 active cases and less than one new case per day (7 day average). Yet we constantly hear how we are running out or going to run out of X or Y. More often than not I think it is logistics. Despite being a small country with centrally funded healthcare, the management of the health system is very decentralized geographically. So some doctor somewhere runs out of something, and runs straight to the media who are happy to run it on the homepage.

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by TLightful »

Angostura wrote: post #12
TLightful wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure the situation is uneven. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52671814

I absolutely agree the situation is likely to be uneven. So this is a tough one. Most organisations will have general rules about not bad-mouthing the organisation publicly and running comms through s comms office. I absolutely agree people should be able to whistle-blow, but if you were managing a hospital you'd probably be wanting people not to go grumbling to the press.

Transparency is key right now.

Your "grumble" is likely someone else's "professional concern".

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by amriksohata »

I agree that the UK response has not been as good as some other countries.

I feel though there is a lot of political propoganda going on. This MP complained about a lack of PPE at a care home she worked in, but the care home sacked her for lying as they said they had plenty.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-525680...

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by SiempreViernes »

TLightful wrote: post #6
CodeGlitch wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of PPE is a world-wide problem. The UK imported tonnes of the stuff for Turkey, but it was deemed to be not fit for purpose. Other countries have been asking for water-proof coats, that can be used as washable over-garments. I don't think any government is going to come out of this scoring 100%.

The UK response has been terrible in all respects. Please don't sugar coat it.

Please calibrate your scale, keeping in mind that you also need to grade US and Brazilian response on the low end.

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by 7952 »

makomk wrote: post #5
CodeGlitch wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of PPE is a world-wide problem. The UK imported tonnes of the stuff for Turkey, but it was deemed to be not fit for purpose. Other countries have been asking for water-proof coats, that can be used as washable over-garments. I don't think any government is going to come out of this scoring 100%.

It's a world-wide problem that the media in every Western country seem to be spinning as a unique failure of their government, often for cynical and stupid partisan reasons. Same with the global shortage of everything needed to carry out widespread coronavirus testing.

But then the government also politicise it by telling lies about there own performance. If there isn't enough PPE then they should admit to that.

Re: The UK’s public health response to Covid-19

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Post by arethuza »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #13
Angostura wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, in many repects it's been pretty good. The respects that it has been very poor at was: * Being complacent about the country's testing capacity * stopping testing outside of hospitals once the containment phase was deemed over * PPE logistics. (tough global problem) * Support for care-homes. * Westminster's lack of care when it comes to coordinating the loosening of lock-down with the devolved countries It was a…

Yet we still have the worst death rate in Europe. Why was Germany so much better off than us.

Isn't the answer at the moment "we don't know" - I'm no fan of the current government but I don't think it helps blaming them before someone has analysed the relevant facts.
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