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Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by pjmlp »

pathartl wrote: post #4

I'm really starting to despise most OS's for having such an overbearing security policy. I think it's really why I've stuck with Windows for so long. For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I'm not even considering *nix distros here because honestly the market for every day users for something like Ubu…

Eventually you won't have any option left.

"How Windows 10X runs UWP and Win32 apps"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc&list=PLWZJrkeLOr...

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by commoner »

kragen wrote: post #263
zozbot234 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're not using Play, why not root your device? You could ultimately bypass all of these restrictions.

Well, I don't know how to tell a safe root from a malware root (or find one that will work for my device), and I'm ignorant enough about Android to wonder if rooting the device means I'm running everything as root and consequently have no protection at all from malware? I mean, it's embarrassing, but that's the truth.

The most popular root solution for Android is Magisk. It's FOSS and doesn't affect the device's system partition.

https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/

https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk

https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk...

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by pjmlp »

larrik wrote: post #43
pathartl wrote: post #4

I'm really starting to despise most OS's for having such an overbearing security policy. I think it's really why I've stuck with Windows for so long. For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I'm not even considering *nix distros here because honestly the market for every day users for something like Ubu…

As someone who has been on Linux a long time, but still has to support family members using Windows, here's my perspective: 1) Linux is usually easier in the "happy case", where everything works as it should, and it supports everything that the user needs. 2) Linux is way way way less likely to just change something and break the whole system while the user is sleeping. (This was REAL fun with my grandparents-in-law…

Yet my aging Asus 1215B netbook that came with Ubuntu no longer does OpenGL 4.1 with hardware video decoding thanks newer AMD drivers and has lost wlan capabilities during one Ubuntu release generation.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by pjmlp »

jdmg94 wrote: post #8
pathartl wrote: post #4

I'm really starting to despise most OS's for having such an overbearing security policy. I think it's really why I've stuck with Windows for so long. For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I'm not even considering *nix distros here because honestly the market for every day users for something like Ubu…

> For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I guess it depends on what kind of "power user" you are because windows is pretty limited (why else would they frankestein an Ubuntu terminal into the latest Windows versions?).

To sell Windows laptops to people that buy Apple laptops to actually develop GNU/Linux software instead of supporting OEMs like Dell, System76 and Tuxedo, and don't care one second about Apple or Microsoft developer platforms.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by j-james »

est31 wrote: post #269
j-james wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 3G are okay now Is it really? AT&T and Verizon, two of the largest mobile data conglomerates in the US, have stated their intentions to shut down 3G service in favor of 5G by February 2021 and December 2020 respectively. https://techblog.comsoc.org/2019/02/22/att-to-shut-down-3g-n... https://stopthecap.com/2019/08/01/verizon-delays-shutdown-of...

I think that quote refers to the 3 gigabytes of RAM of the Librem 5 that was mentioned higher up in the chain, not the 3G wireless technology: > But you pay 750$ for a 3GB quad core phone Both Librem 5 and the Pinephone support LTE, although no 5G. You are entirely right that phones which don't support LTE will have major usability regressions very soon so when you buy an older model phone you should really watch out…

Ah, you're right. D'oh!

And it looks like both the Pinephone and the Librem 5 support various LTE bands.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by kragen »

commoner wrote: post #282
kragen wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I don't know how to tell a safe root from a malware root (or find one that will work for my device), and I'm ignorant enough about Android to wonder if rooting the device means I'm running everything as root and consequently have no protection at all from malware? I mean, it's embarrassing, but that's the truth.

The most popular root solution for Android is Magisk. It's FOSS and doesn't affect the device's system partition. https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/ https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk...

Thank you!

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by fsflover »

Sebb767 wrote: post #86
AsyncAwait wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only "real" solution is to get an actual Linux phone, such as the PinePhone[1] or Librem 5[2]. 1 - https://www.pine64.org/pinephone 2 - https://puri.sm/products/librem-5

But you pay 750$ for a 3GB quad core phone; I've got these specs on a 300€ OnePlus One five (six?) years ago. Sure, replaceable battery and open hardware are a _very_ good thing, but the value/$ of these phones are horrendous. That's not to defend OnePlus or any other manufacturer, but when I can get a high end Samsung or Xiaomi device with 4 times the specs at every corner for the same price or less and simply insta…

Why it costs so much: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21714352

"First hardware kill switches; first replaceable cellular modem and Wi-Fi/ Bluetooth (on M.2 cards); first smart card reader (for 2FF OpenPGP card); first running 100% free software; only current phone to offer convergence as PC without special hardware"

“It's also one of the few phones to have hardware baseband isolation - making you immune to IMSI catchers and other cellular-based attacks.”

More in the link.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by kevingadd »

stonewareslord wrote: post #169
kevingadd wrote: post #102

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I'd much rather run a narrowly scoped (diff-style) .reg file than unpack an entire configuration file from a .tar.gz and potentially blow away existing settings (which has happened to me more than once when installing system updates...)

You can diff Unix configs with... diff I don't think it's ever advisible to tar -xf- -C / to fix a minor config issue. Just extract in tmp and diff -aru etc /etc

The outer post was talking about helping family members with their computers. They're gonna be dragging files around in the Linux equivalent of Explorer, not extracting stuff to tmp and manually applying diffs. So doing a 1:1 comparison on that basis, the Registry has the standard tools of the trade on Linux beat. There's certainly no particular reason you couldn't send someone a .sh file that manually applies your diffs to grandma's config file, I guess...

FWIW I've had Ubuntu system updates blow away entire config files (helpfully setting the old one aside, at least) instead of applying diffs, but maybe that was the package maintainers being naughty.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by AsyncAwait »

pjmlp wrote: post #279
AsyncAwait wrote: post #100

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These phones are primarily about user-freedom, privacy and my ability to do whatever I want with a device that I've purchased, without restrictions imposed by the OEM. Also, honest question; What do you actually 'use' the latest specs for? These Android/iOS phones are basically all about media consumption, something that has been sufficiently performant for years. You have great hardware, but no software to take real…

Any Android phone can do so much more on the software side. One just needs to treat them as Java based OS that happens to allow native code for high performance 3D graphics, real time audio and integration of C and C++ libraries.

Can they? You cannot reasonably run any mainstream compilers, editors etc. on Android phones. Nor can you develop Android apps on them, (without something like Termux), nor do a gazillion other things you can do on your PC. They're at best crippled pocket computers, whereas something like the PinePhone runs mainline Linux and can run KDE Plasma/GNOME etc.

Does Android have more simple podcast apps and the like? Sure. But Android's well over a decade old, while mainline Linux on phones is just getting started.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Post by AsyncAwait »

thayne wrote: post #213
na85 wrote: post #90

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>value/$ of these phones are horrendous Sounds like you value the open/libre aspect at $0. Not everyone feels the same way: Those phones are for people who value the replaceable battery and libre stack at $x where x > 0.

The most I've ever paid for a phone is $300. I value open/libre more than $0, but not more than I value the phone itself.

These phones are for people willing to push the boundaries of free software and early adopters. This is for the people who ran early GNU stuff in the 90s, not the ones who said, "well, I can get a more polished toolset from "
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