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Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. The default state of US law was that those who published without moderation were protected, and those that did moderate were not. Section 230 was created specifically because publishers who moderated user generated comments had been successfully sued for defamation [0]. Section 230 did not preserve any rights at all, it created entirely new ones. Companies were previously able to enjoy common carrie…

Congress couldn’t possibly imagine that Google would exist when they passed Section 230, because Google probably wouldn’t exist without Section 230. Section 230 is generally credited with helping birth the modern Internet, without Section 230 the Internet would still look like it did in the 1980s; small and non-commercial.

None of the innovation that Google brought to the internet on its' way to becoming an internet giant relied on Section 230. The business of search and adds do not rely on Section 230 protections in any way.

Like any other regulation, it harms small businesses disproportionately to the costs it imposes on large ones. There are plenty of examples of regulations that are appropriate to apply to large businesses, but much less appropriate to apply to small ones. Luckily, this incredibly old problem has been solved many times over through the idea of having regulations apply to companies after they reach a certain size. There is little harm to society in allowing small content distributors full editorial control over their distribution channels. There is significant harm to society in allowing that same level of control to entities which control an enormous majority of modern content distribution.

This trope that "the internet wouldn't exist without Section 230" is just an overused excuse that people peddle out to distract from the fact that regardless of how important it was in 1996, as the internet has changed, this law is now responsible for an entirely new category of very serious problems, that really weren't envisioned at the time it was written. It also ignores the fact that these problems can be easily fixed without removing the elements of it which have been beneficial to the growth of online services.

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#492
They should ban Chrome from the Play Store because I can access non-approved Covid-19 content through it.

I say this sarcastically now, but web browsers will definitely become tools of censorship in the near future. Chrome itself will start blocking non-approved content. The Internet will no longer allow the distribution of any and all information, but only what is "approved".

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#493

This is the result of out-sourcing juristic work to private companies: If we treat Android, Window, Twitter, Facebook, as public spaces/goods, then private companies should not have a say in what is allowed/not-allowed on their platforms. This is work for the courts and police to decide and enforce. If we treat those platforms as private. Then we are playing in s/o's backyard. You are totally at their mercy. They hav…

Putting users in charge does not solve censorship problems. The majority opinion - if it is in favour of censorship - will censor competing opinions.

Public ownership does not solve censorship. See: the CCP.

Effective policing does not solve censorship. The police will be tools of whoever and whatever is funding them.

The only way to combat censorship is through decentralised and distributed platforms that are made publicly immune to takedowns, censorship, and prosecution.

It astounds me that people are happy to accept that free speech in the US only applies in public spaces, while handing over control of the best places for spreading information to private companies. What's the point in that? "Free speech only applies to public space! Private companies can censor who they want! proceeds to make sure the information superhighway is entirely owned and controlled by private companies".

But public control doesn't work either. We've already seen government around the world censoring information in the "public interest".

Decentralisation, and distributism are the only ways.

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#494
(googler, opinions are my own).

Looks like the appeal was accepted[0]. As well, Google's SVP of Android/Chrome/ChromeOS/PlayStore apologized to the Podcast Addict team[1].

[0] https://twitter.com/PodcastAddict/status/1262541050817605632

[1] https://twitter.com/PodcastAddict/status/1262562502417641473

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#495
Looks like this is finally being sorted out. Tweet from Hiroshi Lockheimer an SVP at Google (which puts him in the top ~12 execs at the company):

Apologies to Podcast Addict fans today. We are still sorting out kinks in our process as we combat Covid misinformation, but this app should not have been removed. Carry on with your podcasts, folks! ️

https://mobile.twitter.com/lockheimer/status/126255336932064...

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#496
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it’s like Google banning a Bing, DDG, or (...) Google search app app for Indexing sites that do not follow approved guidelines. OP’s point stands without modification.

But a search app isn't directly a web browser (Though browsing many be a secondary function). But many adult content search apps have been removed from app stores.

The bar you set was "Except usually a web browser doesn't include a index of sites". And I see a direct parallel with Google holding a pod cast app responsible for the podcasts content as there is to Google which keeps a more complete index of the content of web sites than the podcast app does of podcast contents.

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#497
I love Podcast Addict to the point of signing up for Patreon to support Xavier with a monthly donation. I'm all for doing thoughtful moderation to prevent your system being gamed by malign actors, but Google is clearly in the wrong here, and their implied policy of moderating with as few humans as possible means that a standout app is taking fire for a situation it could not possibly be accountable for.

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

#499
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I use Podcast Addict every day, I would even say that is my most used app on android. I work listening to podcasts and PA is the best app for those who like highly customizable software. You can change almost everything. Its sad that we are in a situation where a company can dictate what we can install on our computers/smartphones. I know we can sideload apps on android, but the majority of users doesn't care about t…

> dictate what we can install on our computers/smartphones Can they though? Android does not make it difficult at all to install apps through stores other than their own Play Store. A quick internet search reveals that there are at least a dozen other options for users to download apps to Android phones. I agree that a devices OS should allow alternative means to install apps, but Android has clearly done this.

Alternative stores don't have the same access as play store. They can't have auto-updates.

Re: Google bans Podcast Addict app over non-approved Covid-19 content

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post #326

This "Not approved by Government or Public Health Organizations" rule seems to apply to all the indie apps except for the apps built by mega corps - Twitter app asks users to follow Covid-19 related news as the first item in their home screen after login (and has a separate tab for news related to Covid-19 in Search screen). - Reddit official app asks users to subscribe to /r/Coronavirus (that subreddit is not modera…

None of the app stores are fair. Apple charges amazon 2x less for any subscriptions done through the app store. They all reject many indie apps for protecting privacy or security but then all the big apps are allowed to do it. Their apps can access system APIs that are off limit to others.

Some people in the comment section only recently feeling the censorship done by china affecting them but imagine other non-US countries that get censored by American companies all the time.

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