Wellp... what has two thumbs and plans to get a Pinephone? This guy.
Termux and Android 10
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#252I'm really starting to despise most OS's for having such an overbearing security policy. I think it's really why I've stuck with Windows for so long. For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I'm not even considering *nix distros here because honestly the market for every day users for something like Ubu…
We have two laptops running Linux in our home. Two use cases:
- Me: can install a distro/troubleshoot things on cli/like to endlessly tinker with DEs etc. Linux lets me do all this and more.
- My daugther: just wants to get on with classwork, music, videos, Zoom/Skype/Google Meet etc. Too young to ask which OS the laptop was running. Was comfortable on XFCE within few days for her daily needs.
Linux serves both of us so well without restricting us or getting in the way. Being rock solid and friendly enough for average users while having the freedom/flexibility under the hood have been the big reasons why I have stuck with it for more than a decade.
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but the configuration of SELinux can be changed.
Not without root. Termux is very useful even on a non-rooted phone.
Ultimately Google has super-root to your Android device, and Google will change SELinux settings to lockout Termux and things like it.
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Also Microsoft Surface.
For clarification... Surface Pro - full Windows tablet with separate keyboard Surface Laptop - normal Windows laptop Surface Book - Windows laptop with beefy detachable keyboard/battery (may have dGPU!) Surface Pro X - (almost full) Windows tablet on ARM Surface RT - Ran Windows RT (no desktop x86) on ARM Surface Studio - Windows All-in-one PC with very nice big screen
And even earlier:
Surface - interactive table (now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense)
Re: Termux and Android 10
#255I installed Termux on my Chromebook a few years ago to try and create a local development environment per this article[0]. It seemed to work okay, but I never liked how janky and unsupported the whole thing felt. I couldn't bring myself to try and build a workflow around it long-term. And here I guess that's vindicated. Whether now or in a few years, the whole concept of Termux is not long for this world. I guess the…
> to keep insecure and abusive apps off of the majority of users' devices. I don't know, but we have a small android tablet with a bunch of games. If you ask me - Play Store is a cesspool of ad-ware ridden junk with some of the games showing you an ad after every single screen (5-10 clicks / taps). After installing more than 10 games the tablet starts showing full screen adds spontaneously at different times and in d…
Tomorrow if termux like app oes an execs something else and roots the device you will shill on HN against Google. They can't win here even when the decision makes perfect sense.
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#256I really hope they figure out a good solution for this problem. One way I distinguish between a "real" computer and a toy or appliance is whether you can use the device to write software for it. With Termux, you can write Linux-style programs on the Android device itself or even build full Android apks. One of the other awesome things about Termux is that you can use it to setup a pretty complete ARM Linux environmen…
Hell I have ran a Go and Python web server that my phone can access and even my laptop. That is impressive.
Re: Termux and Android 10
#257I really hope they figure out a good solution for this problem. One way I distinguish between a "real" computer and a toy or appliance is whether you can use the device to write software for it. With Termux, you can write Linux-style programs on the Android device itself or even build full Android apks. One of the other awesome things about Termux is that you can use it to setup a pretty complete ARM Linux environmen…
The only "real" solution is to get an actual Linux phone, such as the PinePhone[1] or Librem 5[2]. 1 - https://www.pine64.org/pinephone 2 - https://puri.sm/products/librem-5
Android is not actual Linux?
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where do chrome books fall on this spectrum?
My son got a school issued chromebook. My first reaction was: Oh, goody. We can install Python. Nope. The school chromebooks are locked down tighter than a crab's ass. What a waste.
Best you can do is wait for GitHubs cloud development environments to open up for more users.
Re: Termux and Android 10
#259I'm really starting to despise most OS's for having such an overbearing security policy. I think it's really why I've stuck with Windows for so long. For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I'm not even considering *nix distros here because honestly the market for every day users for something like Ubu…
> Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc...
Even linux distros go down this path from time to time. For example, with systemd linger, or when ubuntu got rid of the root account. I don't like thinking of it as user-stupid. For example when I type sudo, I tend to automatically think a little harder about what I am about to do.
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You don't use it enough, and yet you felt qualified to criticize something you clearly knew nothing about.
Most of my time on it these days is supporting others, or using my aging 2014 MBA. What I remember is I started to get more locked down with each update. Personally I would prefer an "expert" mode in preferences or something of the sort. But yeah, I made a rash judgement on something I don't often use. I owned up to it. Anyway, for what it's worth the only reference to that command online is from Apple discussion boa…
> Most of my time on it these days is supporting others
In general, I actually disagree with even this sentiment, that macOS is worse because it is harder to help others fix certain kinds of problems.
The problem with supporting people on "easier to modify" operating systems is that it creates tech debt. Modify some system files? On the next OS upgrade, they might get overwritten, or, worse, it might cause bugs. Teach a tech beginner that they can google and download an app that solves their problems? The next they they decide to try this on their own, they might unintentionally download a virus, and the OS won't give them a bunch of warnings when they open it.
A system with a loose security policy make it easier for things to work for now, but a tighter security policy makes it potentially easier for the help you provide to cause less pain down the line, even if it means jumping through more hoops right now.
When you help people resolve issues in other operating systems, consider the fact that they might run into just as much hassle, except that it is not visible to you because occurs months or years down the line. (Those issues are potentially more costly, since you might not be free to help at that time.)
No opinion about which system is easier to support in practice with all of this considered, I just wanted to point this out on principle.