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It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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+1 all kinds of trust networks are good

Devil's advocate: A public trust network is great for advertisers. They would know exactly who the influencers are and how to cover the population with a minimum of influencers.

I half-agree

the accidental trust networks that dwell in existing social networks (fb, twtr, IG) are gameable

a trust network where real-life experts gain and lose reputation based on their behavior should (in theory) punish corruption

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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This is why I was so heartbroken when Mozilla removed first party RSS support from Firefox, for what seemed like an extremely flimsy justification.[1] RSS should be ubiquitous, and seen as an essential part of any service that serves structured incremental content. People should be emailing webmasters asking why there is no little orange icon. It also serves as a back door form of accessibility. But I strongly suspec…

Mozilla _critically_ lost its way. No RSS, no NNTP, no EMail; but a paid news service, opt-out services and so on. The data services which provided content-without-markup were abandoned, and the fluff and garbage were embraced. It was supposed to be that Mozilla would be a beacon of light in a murky web, but it has lost itself in the void.

Mozilla have been very clear that they don’t have the resources to win every battle. They’re slipping in the browser wars. I too would love them to fight every battle, but I understand the importance of them managing their limited resources and fighting those battles that can help them towards ‘winning the bigger war’ and staying alive.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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Maybe the world needs an unmonetizable space. I keep hearing how RSS is dead for many years. My favorite blogs seem to be doing fine, its not like my newsblur stream of posts has decreased over the years. Many people are unhappy about non-monetized readers and authors just being happy off by themselves. The people most able to "fix" that are the happy readers and authors, and the readers are not very motivated to spa…

Quality content doesn't happen without costs.

"Costs" does not have to mean "advertising".

Here's some quality content: https://www.raptitude.com/

I've been following that blog for years, via RSS. Every article he writes, I read. He gives it away. You can support him by becoming a patron or signing up to courses, etc. he offers. No advertising, and very high quality.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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post #53

RSS is dying (or dead) because it was incompatible with the dominant business model on the internet -- advertising. This is why Google killed it. This is why lots of professional publishers hated it. With HTTP you'd be able to earn money via embedded ads but you'd earn exactly $0 via RSS since the feed was stripped of ads, just content. This forced publishers to put useless blurbs, redirecting to the HTTP version, wh…

Re: rss being dead, many US govt sites still have RSS feeds for data updates and even your saved searches:

- PubMed

- Dailymed

- clinicaltrials.gov

Slack has a slash command for ‘/feed subscribe https://foo.bar/baz.rss’ so we use that plus the above sites RSS feed for real time notices on when new data is added.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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post #97

This is why I was so heartbroken when Mozilla removed first party RSS support from Firefox, for what seemed like an extremely flimsy justification.[1] RSS should be ubiquitous, and seen as an essential part of any service that serves structured incremental content. People should be emailing webmasters asking why there is no little orange icon. It also serves as a back door form of accessibility. But I strongly suspec…

Smart Bookmarks were fantastic. Add your favorite sites' RSS feeds to your bookmark toolbar and you'd have all the recent headlines from all your favorite sites at one click. Fortunately I wasn't the only one that appreciated this long neglected feature so someone created Livemarks ( https://github.com/nt1m/livemarks/ ) that mostly replicated its functionality. I highly recommend it as I've been on the web a long tim…

I once wrote a little python script that did something like this in the systray.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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> podcasts are arguably more popular than they’ve ever been (this period of time with the coronavirus possibly excepted). There's been a worrying trend of some podcasts shifting to a "get our app" mode of delivery. I've been boycotting each one, and been encouraging the podcasts I donate to to explicitly keep the RSS delivery.

This is news to me, and I’ll keep it in mind. Personally I’m not so sure I would boycott for the sake of effecting a policy change as I simply wouldn’t continue listening because the only thing that makes podcasts tolerable is that I’m filtering them through Overcast’s smart speed. Can’t stand talk shows at the pace of a normal conversation.

> This is news to me, and I’ll keep it in mind.

Granted, I only have two immediate examples:

* Season 2 of The Onion's hilarious true crime parody (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Very_Fatal_Murder) is exclusively on a platform called Luminary. I can't even figure out exactly what Luminary is, because they serve me with a special can of "Luminary is not yet available in your location" crap. Not that I care anyway. The first season is on regular old RSS and is fantastic (if you like the true crime genre and The Onion-style silliness).

* Wind of Change (https://crooked.com/podcast-series/wind-of-change/) investigates the (serious!) conspiracy theory that the CIA created the hit "Wind of Change" by The Scorpions. Now, this is borderline, but the podcast is available over RSS – however they're clearly trying to push people onto Spotify by releasing all episodes there at once and only dripping out an episode a week over RSS. I'll allow it.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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> This is why Google killed it. Is this true? It certainly doesn't feel like it. Reader was a first party branded reader. Google could put ads on Reader relevant to your interests (which they'd have been more keenly aware of than if you weren't using Reader), and they didn't have to pay out the publishers. Google killed Reader, I think, for the second reason you mentioned: publishers were neutering their feeds. Reade…

Google says they killed Reader because of declining usage[1], and there was little reason to doubt that at the time. It's very true that people were switching to mobile consumption and no longer reading lots of news all at once. I was a heavy user of Reader (and did huge amounts of work on RSS/Atom/etc), and I agreed with this assessment at the time. More and more publishers were just putting headlines in RSS, so you…

"In December 2007, Reader linked up with Google Talk (the chat feature in Gmail) to display shared streams from friends. Within the context of feed reading, it fomented something of a Neolithic Revolution. Foragers, hitherto gathering headlines on a crude and solitary basis, became farmers, cultivating streams of information for their neighbors. Sharing increased 25% overnight." [1]

[1]: https://www.buzzfeed.com/robf4/googles-lost-social-network

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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post #298

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+1 all kinds of trust networks are good

Devil's advocate: A public trust network is great for advertisers. They would know exactly who the influencers are and how to cover the population with a minimum of influencers.

If influencers choose to work with advertisers, then jeopardize their circle's trust due to advertiser affiliation, they would lose that trust. It self-corrects; as long as the system doesn't reinforce the network effect.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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post #326

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This is Petr from Feedly, we have read this article this morning, Daniel hasn't even let us know about it, so this is definitely not an ad paid by us (we don't pay publishers to write about us)

Thanks for the response Petr, and for being transparent. I appreciate that. I didn't mean to suggest foul play on either party. In my head I was saying it in a facetious way, but I see it didn't come across that way. I was hoping to get recommendations on open source solutions that I could maybe integrate in a hobby project, or self-host. I will consider Feedly in the future though. By many accounts I've seen, you gu…

There are plenty of solutions for sure, some of the local/self-hosted, some of them open sources, some of them cheaper, etc. It is great that the variety is there and maybe they are not all listed in the article, but I guess that was not the point as David uses Feedly and wanted to showcase how he uses it.
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