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Re: Termux and Android 10

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where do chrome books fall on this spectrum?

Depends on whether you have bothered to open them up and remove the hardware-based firmware write protect. The process is highly device-dependent, and seems to be entirely undocumented for many Chromebooks and other ChromeOS devices. YMMV.

With Crostini, you can write and run full Linux apps in a full Linux environment. No bootloader or dev mode shenanigans required.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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I think you've missed my point here, this goes _way_ further than this specific individual issue. The entire ecosystem is built on a model that turns it into a disposable toy and there's no sign that this is going away any time soon. Why do we need hobbyist movements to produce devices that we can actually run real software on and that won't be completely useless as soon as Google decide to update the API?

Yea, phones should not be designed to be replaced after 2 years. Phones from 6 years ago would still be plenty powerful if they weren't crippled by Google Services eating more and more resources. Google could use mainline kernels and force manufactures in the OHA to open source all their drivers, maybe even back PostmarketOS to prevent e-waste. You can take an old Pentium 4 laptop and still put modern Linux on it and…

The problem is the ARM bespoke-devices ecosystem, not Google. The pre-Android "Linux on mobile" world was far worse wrt. the use of downstream patched kernels. We just didn't care as much, because a kludgy, patched BSP was better than a wholly-closed solution with no source available. Our standards as to what qualifies as "open" have simply become stricter.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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As a heavy Termux user and one who describes Termux as "the killer app for Android" this makes me sad and angry. I was very irritated when they broke ability to send SMS from the termux CLI (in fact I forked and currently build my own version with that patch reverted). If I wanted a paternalistic platform I would be an iOS user (I don't mean that as a slam, iOS obviously has its place, but it's not for me).

Why would you want to send sms from cli? Using the on screen keyboard with quotes and escaping special characters and all?

Re: Termux and Android 10

#125

As a heavy Termux user and one who describes Termux as "the killer app for Android" this makes me sad and angry. I was very irritated when they broke ability to send SMS from the termux CLI (in fact I forked and currently build my own version with that patch reverted). If I wanted a paternalistic platform I would be an iOS user (I don't mean that as a slam, iOS obviously has its place, but it's not for me).

Why would you want to send sms from cli? Using the on screen keyboard with quotes and escaping special characters and all?

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Re: Termux and Android 10

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I'm really starting to despise most OS's for having such an overbearing security policy. I think it's really why I've stuck with Windows for so long. For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I'm not even considering *nix distros here because honestly the market for every day users for something like Ubu…

As someone who has been on Linux a long time, but still has to support family members using Windows, here's my perspective: 1) Linux is usually easier in the "happy case", where everything works as it should, and it supports everything that the user needs. 2) Linux is way way way less likely to just change something and break the whole system while the user is sleeping. (This was REAL fun with my grandparents-in-law…

I support several family/friends that are computer novices. It's super easy. Just install the latest ubuntu LTS, drag off all the icons except for the settings/sound (for earphones+microphone) and the browser icon.

Instead of weekly complaints (lost windows, things changing, sound not working, etc). I get the occasional query once a year or so. I can login remotely to tweak things, or share their screen if need be.

WAY WAY WAY less pain then it was under windows.

Zoom works and video hangouts work. Webex does not, but that doesn't seem very popular with home users.

Re: Termux and Android 10

#127

As a heavy Termux user and one who describes Termux as "the killer app for Android" this makes me sad and angry. I was very irritated when they broke ability to send SMS from the termux CLI (in fact I forked and currently build my own version with that patch reverted). If I wanted a paternalistic platform I would be an iOS user (I don't mean that as a slam, iOS obviously has its place, but it's not for me).

Why would you want to send sms from cli? Using the on screen keyboard with quotes and escaping special characters and all?

Thanks for asking. My use case is programmatic. I wrote a couple of ruby and bash scripts that automate a few different things. One is a poor-mans SMS scheduler that allows me to have it fire off at a set time. Another parses incoming messages and alert me differently based on content (matches against a set of regexes), and in some cases will auto-reply. Another, I had a case where I need to individually send out the same SMS to a couple dozen people. With termux (and ruby) it was trivial for me to script it up.

The possibilities are (or were) endless, which is what I love about a platform. I've always hated the UX of SMS, but people insist on using it anyway. At least this way I use it on my own terms.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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As part of my work, I occasionally need to deal with a wireless comms setup that moves data from a roof-mounted RF antenna down into the network. Instead of having to carry my laptop up to the roof with me (sounds simple, but oddly enough dealing with the laptop up there is actually kind of a pain) or call someone downstairs to run the ping to make sure the network configs line up right, I use Termux with a scripted command to do that myself right from my phone. It's been a major boon to my workflow, and it's going to be frustrating to lose it.

Like a few others on this thread, I've got a PinePhone on order, and now I'm even more stoked to have access to a terminal through it now that Termux isn't going to be an option on my Android.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Depends on whether you have bothered to open them up and remove the hardware-based firmware write protect. The process is highly device-dependent, and seems to be entirely undocumented for many Chromebooks and other ChromeOS devices. YMMV.

With Crostini, you can write and run full Linux apps in a full Linux environment. No bootloader or dev mode shenanigans required.

Does this "full Linux environment" support e.g. audio? I've seen reports that early versions of Crostini didn't even support that.
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