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It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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>Apple is basically monopolizing the whole market for rss readers. You can't be a monopoly with such a small userbase.

Of course, you can. The company is the monopoly not the userbase.

No you literally can't..one of the legal tests is market share.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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Thing is, RSS didn’t “die”. It only ever filled a couple of niches, and arguably it is more popular than it ever was because not only are people still continuing to use RSS readers, podcasts are arguably more popular than they’ve ever been (this period of time with the coronavirus possibly excepted). I get that when people think of “RSS”, they’re thinking of tech that downloads text and maybe some images into a reade…

> podcasts are arguably more popular than they’ve ever been (this period of time with the coronavirus possibly excepted). There's been a worrying trend of some podcasts shifting to a "get our app" mode of delivery. I've been boycotting each one, and been encouraging the podcasts I donate to to explicitly keep the RSS delivery.

This is news to me, and I’ll keep it in mind. Personally I’m not so sure I would boycott for the sake of effecting a policy change as I simply wouldn’t continue listening because the only thing that makes podcasts tolerable is that I’m filtering them through Overcast’s smart speed. Can’t stand talk shows at the pace of a normal conversation.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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Thing is, RSS didn’t “die”. It only ever filled a couple of niches, and arguably it is more popular than it ever was because not only are people still continuing to use RSS readers, podcasts are arguably more popular than they’ve ever been (this period of time with the coronavirus possibly excepted). I get that when people think of “RSS”, they’re thinking of tech that downloads text and maybe some images into a reade…

While RSS doesn't replace a site like Reddit, it's great that Reddit has RSS support built-in. Much of my browsing of the site at least starts off in a feed reader, to make it quick to find what I'm interested in. From there, I'll open links to the site proper, with all the comments and such that make the experience what it is.

Actually forgot about this! That said I do remember trying it some years ago; Reddit RSS just ended up providing too little signal for too much noise. I came to the same conclusion with Twitter RSS and certain types of Tumblogs.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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I'm moving from Feedly to self-hosted Tiny Tiny RSS soon: https://tt-rss.org Would be fun if others did the same and posted about their experiences!

I used tt-rss for a long time, but about 6 months ago I moved over to FreshRSS. But either way, self-hosted RSS is the way to go. Nobody can take it away from you...

Why did you move? What's your experience with FreshRSS been compared to TT-RSS?

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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Wait, shit. Was all that just an advertisement for Feedly !? Oh well. Anyway, for some reason, I do usually enjoy reading the 'Why CSS died' debate when it rears it's head from time to time. I have been toying with the idea of dipping my toes back into RSS. Let's say I don't want to pay for a Feedly subscription. Does anybody know some good places to start, to explore the landscape of available open source RSS reader…

This is Petr from Feedly, we have read this article this morning, Daniel hasn't even let us know about it, so this is definitely not an ad paid by us (we don't pay publishers to write about us)

Thanks for the response Petr, and for being transparent. I appreciate that. I didn't mean to suggest foul play on either party.

In my head I was saying it in a facetious way, but I see it didn't come across that way. I was hoping to get recommendations on open source solutions that I could maybe integrate in a hobby project, or self-host.

I will consider Feedly in the future though. By many accounts I've seen, you guys are the best.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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I had the same ideas about feeds and blogs as you have, and I agree. I have seen the idea about Markdown before, and have considered that too; it is not a bad idea. However, clients should only render Markdown if the article contains a "Content-type: text/markdown" header, and assume plain text otherwise. Clients that don't understand Markdown you can still read the article, since Markdown is meant as readable even w…

I have not considered your idea of servers where users can create their own access-controlled groups [...] One of the properties of traditional Usenet I don't like is that creating groups isn't a matter of minutes, but a matter of days or weeks. If we want an NNTP-based alternative to blogs, twitter and reddit, we can't have that. Instead, a user should just get control of a namespace managed by the server he's regis…

Namespaces is an idea that I have considered, and I have defined a kind of namespacing called "Unusenet", which uses "un" followed by the number of components of the domain name that the namespace belongs to, a reverse domain name, and then the rest of the components. The domain name is normally the domain name of the server where the newsgroup originated; if it is then federated with other servers, they use the original domain name for that newsgroup and not their own. (For example, a newsgroup originating on "example.org" named "misc.xyzzy" will have the full name "un2.org.example.misc.xyzzy".) This is what I have on my own NNTP server. (You do not have to use the Unusenet convention, but I use it in order to avoid namespace collision.) However, I currently have no "feeds" or "blogs", but only "forums"; if I do implement a blog then I would probably implement in that way, though (and as I already mentioned, this was even my idea before you mentioned it; we just happen to have the same idea). But I run my own server rather than using those of others. Of course, not all users will want that, but that is why they can have a server where users can create their own access-controlled groups in a namespace in a few minutes easily like you mentioned.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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I used tt-rss for a long time, but about 6 months ago I moved over to FreshRSS. But either way, self-hosted RSS is the way to go. Nobody can take it away from you...

Why did you move? What's your experience with FreshRSS been compared to TT-RSS?

Honestly, it's hard to articulate or even pinpoint one thing. I like the layout and options of FreshRSS, and a few little things; for example, I use categories, and when I hit 'mark as read' on a category in tt-rss, it would indeed mark everything as read, including items that had refreshed behind the scenes since the last time I opened the category, effectively marking items as read that I hadn't seen yet. FreshRSS seems smart enough to realize that those items haven't been displayed.

Also, tt-rss' developer, fox, is rather abrasive, akin to Theo de Raadt from OpenBSD (which I love and will always use, despite Theo's abrasiveness). I will admit, the projects do generally benefit from this unyielding approach, but it makes it a chore to request help, knowing that you'll likely be upbraided for asking questions.

I also like that FreshRSS has better 3rd party app support (at least on Android).

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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Quality content doesn't happen without costs.

A lot of top-quality dev blogs are written by people who have existing well-paying opportunities. A lot of these people aren’t making an income writing blogs, just sharing the lessons they’ve learned from their jobs. Dan Abramov’s blog is a good example.

That is a highly disaggregated long-tail group of content with lots of low-quality content mixed in. Not only that, there's still the opportunity cost for the writer, and secondary non-monetary benefits that "pay" for the effort, be but let's ignore all of that for now.

It isn't practical for consumers of content to try and find the quality content mixed among the mass of dross when content is spread out among individual creators. This gives rise to aggregators. And even aggregators of quality content cost money to run. Maybe you'd use HN as a counter example but HN isn't run out of the benevolence of ycombinator, there are secondary benefits that justify the costs.

So my comment shouldn't be taken as "there's no such thing as quality content without costs" and if I made it too easy to interpret that way instead of more charitably, that's my fault.

So let me amend it: You don't get concentrations of quality content without costs.

Re: It’s Time to Get Back to RSS

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At least with Android (not Google) I have a choice on what software I install. Besides that you can still use a desktop PC. Most people do anyway.

> At least with Android (not Google) I have a choice on what software I install. I'm have very negative outlook on Apple with their vendor lock-in and walled garden, but how long do you think Google will let you make this choice if they gonna have no competition at all? Google was slowly making Android less and less open with every release. Now "security" features like SafetyNet decide whatever you're allowed to use…

F-Droid exists as an alternative app store or you can distribute APKs. Also running Android from a vendor is a horrible experience. I recommend installing LineageOS or any other alternative ROM.

Google might have a monopoly on the web, but at least they have given us tools to work around it, unlike Apple.

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