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Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by lukevp »

lukevp wrote: post #85
justin66 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some vague "regulations" way, possibly, but the published hourly rates of Tesla Fremont workers are not especially high. (I just googled the average as being less than twenty dollars, which can't possibly be right, but I do remember the figure being low by autoworker standards) The thought that they might pay even less in Texas is depressing.

$20/hr for blue collar work in a lot of Texas is very high. For example, Amazon was paying $12/hr in the San Marcos facility until they raised wages recently, and that was considered decent pay. $8-10/hr is pretty common for unskilled labor here. We have a lot of tech and oil and gas that influences the average income but tons of people here are working for way less than $20/hr.

Indeed shows assembler salary at Toyota San Antonio at $12.89 https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Toyota/salaries/assembler/San-Ant...

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by slezakattack »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #84
aguyfromnb wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, it's the guy who called Tesla a "good corporate citizen" just a few months ago. Let's add: breaking stay-at-home orders, called the US government "fascist" while praising China, hired people to hack the personal computers of a whistleblower (as reported in a recent deposition filing), extorted the California government, and forced their workers back to the factory floor amid the pandemic to the list of "good" th…

Still stand by what I said. COVID response by Alameda County was overblown (including extended stay at home orders), California chose not to provide $600k in training funding to SpaceX after Tesla and SpaceX have created tens of thousands of jobs in the state (because they're non-union shops), and Fremont is following rigorous guidelines to mitigate the threat of COVID infections on the factory floor. Your only legit…

Being that Alameda County (and neighboring Santa Clara County) have the highest number of COVID cases in the Bay Area[1], I would argue that their response was not overblown and likely had numbers to back why they were being aggressive.

[1] https://abc7news.com/bay-area-coronavirus-update-california-...

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

Isn't this just Elon Musk getting into one of his superfluous fights, only this time California being the somewhat-random opponent? Musk has been completely unhinged the last few weeks, and it doesn't seem to be wise making such large decisions in anger, especially considering the reason for his anger is, even if justified, unlikely to reoccur.

I'm quite the Musk fanboy, but he's always had this very strange anger issue... It's not even getting in fights that I find troubling. But for the genius that he is, these squabbles just seem...pedestrian? Calling people pedophiles or going five rounds with SEC for no reason at all?

For comparison, I hate Peter Thiel with a passion. But finding some plaintiff and funding the lawsuit that bankrupts the news organisation that wronged you, for something entirely different? That's how you should win stupid fights when your day job is rockets, fire-throwers, and revolutionary sports cars.

If his recent "red pill" comments is a sign of what's to come, he might be stretching his luck. Going full alt-right MAGA is going to cut his customer base in half, at least in the US and Europe.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by BurningFrog »

eloff wrote: post #30
outside1234 wrote: post #6

"But Musk is said to want to start construction extremely soon and aims to have Model Y vehicles coming out of the plant by the end of the year." That is just delusional.

I think the rule with Elon Musk is all his estimates are extremely optimistic and you need to multiply them by two or three to get closer to reality. But I'm sure it serves a purpose in giving his employees an aggressive target to aim at. Even if they miss it, at least they probably got there sooner.

No. Unrealistic schedules don't help getting anything done.

I hope they have real plans for the real work, while the CEO throws out PR bombs.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by stetrain »

voodooranger wrote: post #7
outside1234 wrote: post #6

"But Musk is said to want to start construction extremely soon and aims to have Model Y vehicles coming out of the plant by the end of the year." That is just delusional.

maybe. but they’re getting better at building the machine that builds the machine that builds the machine.

Chinese labor? That's the machine that built their most recent machine that builds the machine.

Over-indexing on fancy production automation is part of what made the Model 3 launch so painful for them, as admitted by Elon himself. They probably could have had a much happier path spending less capital on a slower, more traditional production ramp-up.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by Leherenn »

jfoster wrote: post #87
aguyfromnb wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I think some HNers would be amazed if they read the terms associated with Tesla doing business in China.

Can you post or link to them?

I can't find a source, but the main one I remember is that all profits made in China had to stay in China.

Edit: this is something I read on a comment here and seem totally unsubstantiated. However Bloomberg reports some of the conditions here. https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-07-30/tesla...

It seems they have a pretty big sword hanging over there head, but I don't know how it compares to the usual conditions.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by toomuchtodo »

slezakattack wrote: post #94
toomuchtodo wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still stand by what I said. COVID response by Alameda County was overblown (including extended stay at home orders), California chose not to provide $600k in training funding to SpaceX after Tesla and SpaceX have created tens of thousands of jobs in the state (because they're non-union shops), and Fremont is following rigorous guidelines to mitigate the threat of COVID infections on the factory floor. Your only legit…

Being that Alameda County (and neighboring Santa Clara County) have the highest number of COVID cases in the Bay Area[1], I would argue that their response was not overblown and likely had numbers to back why they were being aggressive. [1] https://abc7news.com/bay-area-coronavirus-update-california-...

total in a county with 1.66 million people is noise compared to the usual suspects.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/california/califor...

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Post by snowwrestler »

xur17 wrote: post #93
pvarangot wrote: post #49

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Not a chance, I worked with similarly regulated providers in the US.

CA is more lax than TX? I find that surprising.

I think he said TX is not more lax than CA, which doesn't mean CA is more lax either. It's possible their safety regimes are simply similar.

I think a lot of workplace safety rolls up to the feds anyway, so it wouldn't matter which state you choose.

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