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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by echelon »

subsubzero wrote: post #472
koheripbal wrote: post #112

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

Here are some numbers to keep you up at night, they are very scary: Google controls 91.89% of the search market [1] G controls 68% of the browser market [2] G's android is on 84% of phones operating systems [3] G has 73% of the search advertising market [4] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/544400/market-share-of-i... [3] https://beta.trimread.com/articl…

Tell your legislators you want to see antitrust action taken against Google!

They're abusing the hell out of their status. AMP, removal of adblock capability, driving web standards to potentially be more opaque, walled gardens, automated removal and takedown, etc.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by not2b »

UnpossibleJim wrote: post #522
streb-lo wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, but why is there so much Constitution/Founding Father worship in America? It's a flawed document that has lead to a flawed nation. It does not have Messiah-like abilities to deal with current problems so why be surprised it doesn't have modern solutions to modern problems.

But they did have the foresight to make it a document that could be edited. That part did take forethought and was revolutionary by men who were very much ahead of their time. I understand that judgement of figures of the past by modern ethics is the newest trend, but history has to be given a bit of context and what is a given now was blasphemous at the time. Some of the things, like a constitution that could evolve…

Every country that has a constitution has a mechanism to modify it, but the US Constitution is set up in a way that its most severe flaws can't be fixed (small rural states are over-represented but have a veto over any attempt to change this because 3/4 of the states must agree to any amendment).

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by ddevault »

tidepod12 wrote: post #508
ddevault wrote: post #38

Google & YouTube employees on HN: how do you justify still working at this company? Enough of the cognitive dissonance. Face your choices and tell me how you square yourself with them. For shame.

Drew, ever since sourcehut got a little positive attention you seem to have adopted this mindset of " I started my own company and don't have to work for the man anymore, why doesn't everyone else just do the same?" You need to realize that this is an extremely narrow minded view to have. Not everyone can start their own business. What would you have done if sourcehut hadn't gained enough popularity to be successful?…

I am not relating the reader to my experience with SourceHut - I haven't told anyone to quit and start their own company rather than work for Google - but remininding them that the market for their talents is strong and that we have the luxury of choosing who we work for. I have held and spoken of these convictions since long before SourceHut. Read my blog archives or my old HN comments since pre-SourceHut and you'll find much of the same.

Who is using SourceHut to build software I disagree with on ethical terms? I am not aware of such a project.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by missosoup »

atomashpolskiy wrote: post #538
missosoup wrote: post #41

There was a previous unrelated discussion about this just a few hours ago which was climbing to the top of the front page when I saw it. And then just vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221264 It's not flagged, it just went from #13 on the front page to invisible. In a single refresh. How does that work? Looking at the votes and age, it should be in the top 5 of both Ask and the front page. What's the m…

Seems like a child comment has been detached from this thread and moved into a separate top-level thread, that is currently at the top ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23223772 ), while its' former parent (comment that I'm currently responding to) has been moved to the bottom (2nd page). QED.

Seems like your comment has also been detached. I'm seriously confused right now.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by diego898 »

missosoup wrote: post #535
dang wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was flagged by users and set off the flamewar detector. We review those, but not while asleep. The site guidelines specifically ask you not to post like this, but to send such questions to hn@ycombinator.com instead. Would you please review them ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html )? The reason we ask that is that such comments routinely spark completely speculative subthreads that range from comple…

It seems like my comment was also vanished from the top of the thread? I don't see what guidelines I came even close to breaking. Help me out here? No one's going to see your reply, my comment is detached from the submission. But I do want to understand what's going on here.

For what its worth, I was also shocked to see your entire comment thread, with over 110 children I believe, deleted from the thread without mention. Before this, I thought HN handled deletion with graying out, [flagged] or [dead] etc.

I only found it again by checking @dang's profile.

I've also emailed HN support strongly objecting to this complete deletion.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by atomashpolskiy »

dang wrote: post #528
missosoup wrote: post #41

There was a previous unrelated discussion about this just a few hours ago which was climbing to the top of the front page when I saw it. And then just vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221264 It's not flagged, it just went from #13 on the front page to invisible. In a single refresh. How does that work? Looking at the votes and age, it should be in the top 5 of both Ask and the front page. What's the m…

It was flagged by users and set off the flamewar detector. We review those, but not while asleep. The site guidelines specifically ask you not to post like this, but to send such questions to hn@ycombinator.com instead. Would you please review them ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html )? The reason we ask that is that such comments routinely spark completely speculative subthreads that range from comple…

Hey, dang. I've sent a letter to hn@ycombinator.com 5 hours ago, questioning why my AskHN submission "Self-censorship on HN" has been flagged and blocked for further replies. Have you seen it by any chance? I'm really concerned about the issue.

> Do you really think we're suppressing discussion of the suppression of the phrase "communist bandits" from YouTube? I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a.

Also, can the suppression of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221264 (which missosoup is asking about) be connected with my "HN censorship" related comment in it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23221622 ?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by Apes »

SquareWheel wrote: post #335
pacala wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, open source is not an absolute good. It is undercutting the ability of your peers to make a living. It is making software a commodity, such that capital rich hardware owners can make a killing. See AWS. Commoditize your complement. https://www.gwern.net/Complement

It may not be common, but it is possible to make money on open-source software. Redhat would be the largest example. Automattic's WordPress is another. If software can be profitable whether it's open or closed-source, then isn't open-source inherently better?

I'm not sure RedHat is a good example any more, since they were aquired by IBM.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by pokepim »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #456
shadowgovt wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is it replaced with "I'm an American company?" There's a deep rabbit-hole of hyper-nationalism right next to the deep rabbit-hole of hyper-corporatism. Does a YouTube beholden to the US government get banned from being used in China at all? And if it does, what happens when China creates a competing product that is more successful than YouTube, and YouTube gets displaced globally by a product that is beholden to…

Hyper-nationalism is a backlash to globalism due to the recently realized risks of opaque governments exploiting transparent governments. The intentions were good: Reduce the risk of global nuclear war. The globalism outcome is good for trade and relations with nations that have transparent governments, bad with the opaque.

Was it really bad for US until China started working on 5G and trying to become independent in semiconductor sector? Because until that time globalism was pretty profitable in terms of trade and relations for US.
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