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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how there are a bunch of comments in those other threads insisting Google doesn't do anything moderation that's "political".

One fascinating thing about being Very Online in the past 10-20 years is watching the messages of astroturfing campaigns slowly leak into public sentiment. I'm sure the same thing happens with other forms of media, primarily cable television. But as an example, with the whole 50 Cent Army, a few people have heard convincing arguments from them and turned into unwitting (or otherwise) propagators of the same rhetoric.

Carl Jung: “People don't have ideas. Ideas have people.”

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Google & YouTube employees on HN: how do you justify still working at this company? Enough of the cognitive dissonance. Face your choices and tell me how you square yourself with them. For shame.

Google is a pretty huge company. What if they're working on something unrelated - maybe even something that benefits the world?

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post #111

Google & YouTube employees on HN: how do you justify still working at this company? Enough of the cognitive dissonance. Face your choices and tell me how you square yourself with them. For shame.

How do you buy hardware? I’m genuinely asking because where I live it’s impossible to buy stuff that wasn’t made in China. It’s almost impossible to lead en ethical life in this day and age if you do anything related to tech.

I try to avoid buying Chinese products, but unfortunately I end up doing so more often than I'd like. But ultimately, my lifetime contribution to the Chinese regime of a few thousand dollars worth of consumer products pales in comparison to the lifetime contribution of millions of dollars of capital that each Google employee is raising for the company to spend on directly supporting the regime with censorship and surveillance tools.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Try commenting 共匪 on any youtube video, the comment will be deleted after ~15 seconds

It looks like Google translate doesn’t offer suggested synonyms/related words for that term either. It translate the word to “gangster”.

Google Translate to/from Chinese is often terrible, especially with short phrases. Try 剿匪 which means busting gangs/bandits (剿 = bust, so this phrase is an action against bandits). However, Google translates it to “bandit”.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western companies don’t talk about values, Western governments do. The past few decades have seen an aggressive destruction in the power of Western governments to subdue them to Corporate power. The US is a prime example where the Republican party’s only policy platform (not even exaggerating) is “tax cuts are the solution to every problem”. The US government specifically has been declawed and dismembered by the curr…

so what's this "Don't be evil" thingy that Google always talk about

Nice rebuttal, giving a single example to disprove a hypothesis about a complex system with a spectrum of participants. Try to be better at debating hypotheses.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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post #63

Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

Fundamentally, this is the issue with international corporations in the speech realm. People will believe and argue they shouldn't be subject to a given country's laws or have to apply that law globally, but in a real world sense, they must follow all of the laws of any country they want to operate in, no matter how ridiculous or unfair they might feel. Because if you aren't obeying a country's laws, they'll shut you out.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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post #103

Google & YouTube employees on HN: how do you justify still working at this company? Enough of the cognitive dissonance. Face your choices and tell me how you square yourself with them. For shame.

Not a Google or YouTube employee, but, practically, what would change? In the most likely case, a bunch of Googlers who believe it's important to be apolitical at work would take over the product and implement much stronger censorship to get promo. In the unlikely event all of them (and every applicant drooling for a FAANG job) had a change of heart too, Tencent would gladly step into the vacuum.

Google employees have proven themselves capable of collective action:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/01/technology/google-walkout...

Do it again.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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post #59

Similar happens with the name "Eric Ciaramella", which YouTube instantly deletes. This is a name of a CIA whistle blower. It would be interesting to know what other words are in the YouTube censor list.

Interesting, but there is a pretty clear difference between censorship to protect an individual and censorship of critisising a government.
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