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Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by ibiza » Mon, May 18, 2020, 1:52 PM UTC

redka wrote: post #18

It might be just me but I can't look at websites with black backgrounds and white or yellow letters. My eyes hurt and when I turn my head elsewhere I can see shadows of the website for a bit. I use dark(ish) themes everywhere but such high contrast somehow is too much.

The problem is using `white` on black instead of `gray` on black. The latter provides plenty of contrast while still being easy to read.

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by elefantastisch » Mon, May 18, 2020, 1:53 PM UTC

amanzi wrote: post #31

This Github repository tracks a whole bunch of these drop-in CSS files: https://github.com/dohliam/dropin-minimal-css And you can use this demo site to switch between them all on the fly: https://dohliam.github.io/dropin-minimal-css/

It's a shame how few of these prevent horizontal scroll on mobile. Usually the table and/or video are not probably handled. My take away from this: Simple does not mean easy; check edge cases.

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by alberth » Mon, May 18, 2020, 1:55 PM UTC

Bring back fond memories of http://www.csszengarden.com/

Just plain HTML + CSS

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by Aissen » Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:00 PM UTC

exampledev wrote: post #78

toyg wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the key word is “unethical”.

Hey, developer of both here. It's certainly not a light download, I understand. It's more of an effort to pull CDN requests to known unethical networks, namely Google Fonts, which are known to be used to track users between websites. I'll be more clear about this in the future, thanks for your opinions!

I still don't see how switching from Google to a VC-backed CDN startup is better for ethical purposes.

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by joeblau » Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:02 PM UTC

nateberkopec wrote: post #51

I don't understand the claims re: font loading. > Vercel's impossibly fast CDN delivers new.css and the font Inter using xz/fonts, so there's virtually no bloat added to your pages. It's 300kb of font downloads, hardly light. And the xz/fonts page says: >Break your users from unethical tracking networks I'm still making a request to a 3rd party CDN with an origin header that says what page I'm looking at, so I'm not…

While I do like the style sheet that was created, the marketing spin on this page was off-putting to me as well.

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by bluetwo » Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:03 PM UTC

mr-karan wrote: post #3

So basically a stripped down version of Tailwind?

I would say the opposite of tailwind.

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by crofrwd » Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:05 PM UTC

Just to point out there are also: https://native-elements.stackblitz.io/

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by nprateem » Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:07 PM UTC

I assume that the author must be in their teens/20s to call a stylesheet that is literally the most basic, primitive form of CSS possible "modern" :-D

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by sleepinseattle » Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:08 PM UTC

falcor84 wrote: post #61

Semaphor wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It feels like I would spend more time undoing what it does than would be saved by using it. They list use-cases: > A dead-simple blog > Collecting your most used links > Making a simple "about me" site > Rendering markdown-generated HTML It’s when you have some basic HTML and just want it to look good. Agreed that framework is a very unfitting descriptor for it though.

But then, why not have this be defined by the client? I think I would like to see more websites entirely devoid of css, together with an evolving ecosystem of browser-side theme-like css rulesets to style and layout sites based on the page's semantics and everyone's unique preferences, like we style our desktops and terminals. But that's just my cloud cuckoo land, right?

Reading mode does that, and you can have it auto-enable in Safari if you want.

Re: New.css – A classless CSS framework to write modern websites using only HTML

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Post by HugoDaniel » Mon, May 18, 2020, 2:08 PM UTC

This recent vibe of minimal CSS files for plain HTML tags feels the same as the CSS Zen Garden from years ago.

Which is very good and quite welcome in the current state of overbloated JS frameworks that do everything.

I wonder if this will also drive further the adoption of standard web components https://open-wc.org/guide/