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Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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If they're willing to abuse technology to ruin my day, I don't see why their opinion should have any weight.

You're missing the point. Why do you think you get a say in whether their opinion has any weight? As of right now their opinion of how it should work IS how it works until all of their wasteful bytes are rendering and animating in your face.

The point is, if they do shit like this they have outed themselves as hostile. I'll do what I can to either avoid them, or if I get tricked into experiencing their wasteful bytes, attempt to prevent them from doing so on my client end. They've done me, and the rest of the world, wrong. Therefore it's no longer productive to have a conversation with them about it and instead I'll apply technological and behavioural changes on my end to mitigate the damage rather than attempt to convince them to change their ways.

Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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post #190

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Well, that doesn't apply here because gifs still have better UX than video for many use cases. Nobody wants to use video as it's implemented right now for reaction gifs. Browsers and platform defaults could go a long way to improve video UX but they don't. Not having to open my network tab to save video would be a place to start. Being able to right-click to copy/paste them would be another. These aren't "lowest comm…

> Browsers and platform defaults could go a long way to improve video UX but they don't. Not having to open my network tab to save video would be a place to start. Uh... Right click, "Save video as..." in Chrome. Has been that way as long as I can recall. I'm 95% sure Firefox works the same way. No idea about IE or OG Edge because who really cares, presumably Edgium behaves like Chrome. A lot of sites override the ri…

> How should it handle extreme situations like someone clicking "Copy" on their Plex Web Player embed of a 100GB 4K UHD movie?

You can’t yet. Thats the point. GIFs are not 100GB 4K movies, yet the current state of the art treats the two the same.

We need a standard method to distinguish an (optionally) looping, soundless “GIF” video from a traditional video, and mimic the behavior of an image in the case of a GIF.

Also GIF videos needs to behave like GIF images consistently across all modern browsers and mobile devices.

Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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>The issue was lack of adoption - it never took hold due to Apple not adopting it in their ecosystem It's not just Apple, webp files can't even be opened by Photoshop. You're basically making proprietary Chrome image files if you actually use that format.

Ehh... Firefox can open them just fine, as can GIMP, as can (apparently) my OS's image thumbnailer. (Though oddly enough not my OS's image viewer.) Support isn't universal, but it's certainly not a proprietary Chrome format.

Almost every computing app in the world supports JPG,PNG and GIF. Together we could only name 3 apps that can open webp and only one of those is an editor.

Shaking my head as to why this format has any support at all.

Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

#235

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Ehh... Firefox can open them just fine, as can GIMP, as can (apparently) my OS's image thumbnailer. (Though oddly enough not my OS's image viewer.) Support isn't universal, but it's certainly not a proprietary Chrome format.

Almost every computing app in the world supports JPG,PNG and GIF. Together we could only name 3 apps that can open webp and only one of those is an editor. Shaking my head as to why this format has any support at all.

GIMP is supported on every practically usable operating system and can edit animated webp just as well as gifs.

Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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post #235

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Almost every computing app in the world supports JPG,PNG and GIF. Together we could only name 3 apps that can open webp and only one of those is an editor. Shaking my head as to why this format has any support at all.

GIMP is supported on every practically usable operating system and can edit animated webp just as well as gifs.

But most people use photoshop already

Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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post #103

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I think there's a chance this can happen when AV1 starts to gain adoption. Webp had a chance - you can have well encoded, looping video in a .webp container that operates exactly like an image. The issue was lack of adoption - it never took hold due to Apple not adopting it in their ecosystem. AV1 has support from every major player in tech, and .avif images support gif functionality just fine. Until that happens tho…

>The issue was lack of adoption - it never took hold due to Apple not adopting it in their ecosystem It's not just Apple, webp files can't even be opened by Photoshop. You're basically making proprietary Chrome image files if you actually use that format.

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Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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post #103

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I think there's a chance this can happen when AV1 starts to gain adoption. Webp had a chance - you can have well encoded, looping video in a .webp container that operates exactly like an image. The issue was lack of adoption - it never took hold due to Apple not adopting it in their ecosystem. AV1 has support from every major player in tech, and .avif images support gif functionality just fine. Until that happens tho…

It looks like WebP Animation only supports I-frame like GIF Animation. I-frame only video should not be efficient so not suitable for video, looks better to just use VP9. (maybe good for icons)

> I-frame like GIF Animation

What does that mean?

Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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I already said that before and I'll do it again: it won't work until we make videos act like gifs, which act like images. The video per se won't loop if I save it in my computer or phone. I can't drag and drop, right click, long tap. To have anything replacing gif you need THE EXACT SAME BEHAVIOUR, EVERYWHERE. It doesn't matter for the consumer whose fault it is: encoding, the app, how the file is created. The user u…

I think there's a chance this can happen when AV1 starts to gain adoption. Webp had a chance - you can have well encoded, looping video in a .webp container that operates exactly like an image. The issue was lack of adoption - it never took hold due to Apple not adopting it in their ecosystem. AV1 has support from every major player in tech, and .avif images support gif functionality just fine. Until that happens tho…

Actually webp is widely adopted but you may not know it. For example giphy.com encodes to webp but they’re renamed to .gif files.

Re: Serve Videos Instead of GIFs

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post #235

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Almost every computing app in the world supports JPG,PNG and GIF. Together we could only name 3 apps that can open webp and only one of those is an editor. Shaking my head as to why this format has any support at all.

GIMP is supported on every practically usable operating system and can edit animated webp just as well as gifs.

Doesn't matter how many platforms it's on it's still one app.

Until webp works everywhere then the web shouldn't be polluted with this proprietary Google Chrome image format.

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