If the farmers have decades long relationship with the landowners this looks like a power play by tillable/VCs to get in there and take a recurring cut. They know the farmers have no option but to rent land and the VCs know it. So they are using their money to pay cash to landowners and get them on the site. Probability wise there is a 90% chance that the land will be rented by the same farmer as before because of land proximity issues. So it’s just free money for tillable.
An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
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Re: An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
#12If the farmers have decades long relationship with the landowners this looks like a power play by tillable/VCs to get in there and take a recurring cut. They know the farmers have no option but to rent land and the VCs know it. So they are using their money to pay cash to landowners and get them on the site. Probability wise there is a 90% chance that the land will be rented by the same farmer as before because of la…
So, why would the farmer use it then?
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#13Farming is an inefficient industry full of generational land princes who are hicks. Time for total disruption. It is a backward industry that sucks up tax dollars so people with small amounts of land can player grower/milk man.
Your core point, that American farming is heavily subsidised, is sound. The rest is unwarranted.
Re: An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
#14Farming is an inefficient industry full of generational land princes who are hicks. Time for total disruption. It is a backward industry that sucks up tax dollars so people with small amounts of land can player grower/milk man.
> Farming is an inefficient industry full of generational land princes who are hicks.
If you’re ever the type of person to wonder why someone like Trump could win the presidency, I highly suggest you first look inward.
Re: An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I hope this doesn’t discourage farmers from using technology to improve efficiency, yields, profits, etc. Throughout history of settled humans, Farmers have always been at the brink of technological progress. The wheel, the plow, and all sorts of machines. It's a common theme to depict them as technologically backwards, but nothing could be further from the truth. Another common but misguided theme is to depict the…
> Farmers have always been at the brink of technological progress. You would think we would see more automation and fewer cows being milked by hand were this true.
You should do a web search for cow milking technology.
Moral milk?
DeLaval International, a large Swedish producer of dairy and other farming equipment, is installing 24 robotic voluntary – meaning the cows approach the stations on their own
Re: An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
#16There is actually more to this than is visible on the surface. And I can’t talk about some of it.
But here it is:
1. Climate Corp was part of Monsanto before it became Bayer. It was acquired by Monsanto. 2. John Deere wanted to buy Climate as well as Monsanto but that was struck down by US courts and Bayer bought Monsanto. 3. What was Climate Corp doing before? They had something called Field View where they charged farmers to collect and collate data. 4. All precision Ag, Ag robotics and farm data collections have two big industry ‘partners’: Wall Street and Farm input companies. 5. Now add farmland to Precision Ag/Ag robotics. 6. This is a kind of consolidation of land, inputs, data and machinery. 6. Eventually, all land will be owned by farm machinery companies and input companies. There won’t be any more farmers in the future but only farming corporations. 7. It goes back to Wall Street because big Ag is commodities.
I am a small scale farmer interested in small acreage Ag robotics to save labour. But no one was interested even though food is important and Ag is a big deal in the USA.
No investors, no traction, no interest and I have no qualms about cold calling...and down that rabbit hole, I found out that diff between food farming and commodity crop farming.
In reality, there is no agtech for food farming. In the USA anyways. Agtech is about land, inputs and mostly commodity crops. And speculation markets.
I don’t have an opinion. Maybe this is more efficient. Maybe it’s not a good idea. And this kind of Ag isn’t even what I am interested in and I just stumbled upon this while trying to figure why Agtech is such a big deal but I can’t find interest in automating food production.
It is pretty fascinating how Big Ag has managed to consolidate and rein in together. The players are still the same and it’s a few big corporations that will control this sector.
Many of the players and VC companies and start ups are well known but it’s not really necessary to drop those names. But anyone can connect the dots if they invested some time. It is literally a web ..six degrees and all that.
Back to the article, expect ‘family farmers’ to be separated from their land in the near and near-distant future. Already a lot of American farmland is owned by foreign countries/investors, pension funds, insurance companies, university wealth funds and hedge funds.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I hope this doesn’t discourage farmers from using technology to improve efficiency, yields, profits, etc. Throughout history of settled humans, Farmers have always been at the brink of technological progress. The wheel, the plow, and all sorts of machines. It's a common theme to depict them as technologically backwards, but nothing could be further from the truth. Another common but misguided theme is to depict the…
> Farmers have always been at the brink of technological progress. You would think we would see more automation and fewer cows being milked by hand were this true.
Did you have specific areas where there should be more automation? There is a lot of automation in farming.The tractors can drive themselves and planters continuously monitor and correct themselves. What is your definition of milking by hand? I suspect the percentage of cows milked by hand is extremely low. Even small family farms use milking machines.
Re: An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
#18Farming is an inefficient industry full of generational land princes who are hicks. Time for total disruption. It is a backward industry that sucks up tax dollars so people with small amounts of land can player grower/milk man.
Did you have a bad experience on a farm?
> full of generational land princes who are hicks
That is pretty uncalled for and ignorant. You seem to have an agenda so I'm not going to waste much time other than to say that I see no evidence that you know anything about actual farming.
Re: An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
#19There is actually more to this than is visible on the surface. And I can’t talk about some of it. But here it is: 1. Climate Corp was part of Monsanto before it became Bayer. It was acquired by Monsanto. 2. John Deere wanted to buy Climate as well as Monsanto but that was struck down by US courts and Bayer bought Monsanto. 3. What was Climate Corp doing before? They had something called Field View where they charged…
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Re: An Airbnb for farmland hits a snag, as farmers raise data privacy concerns
#20If the farmers have decades long relationship with the landowners this looks like a power play by tillable/VCs to get in there and take a recurring cut. They know the farmers have no option but to rent land and the VCs know it. So they are using their money to pay cash to landowners and get them on the site. Probability wise there is a 90% chance that the land will be rented by the same farmer as before because of la…
So, why would the farmer use it then?
For now it's fueled by VC cash so people will adopt it because of it. This gives Tillable growth numbers that impress investors to give even more money and so on, until it's so large that it can apply ideas of scale, like integrating vertically in some form.
The vertical integration Uber envisions is self driving cars. Any company which has a foot in the hauling market will have an advantage over a purely self driving research company. The vertical integration of Tillable would involve things like buying the land, renting out machines, completely automating the work, etc. Something like that.