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Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by new_realist » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:53 AM UTC

burrows wrote: post #6

new_realist wrote: post #2

Contrary to what Tesla told Alameda County, the Tesla factory is (illegally) in full production, producing cars sitting on Pier 80 for export to Europe and China. https://tslaq.org/letter-from-the-saf-to-alameda-county-offi... That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. I’m not surprised that California is none too happy with Elon.

> That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. A truly professional pearl clutcher.

A pandemic is a matter of life and death.

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by pkaye » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:54 AM UTC

new_realist wrote: post #2

Contrary to what Tesla told Alameda County, the Tesla factory is (illegally) in full production, producing cars sitting on Pier 80 for export to Europe and China. https://tslaq.org/letter-from-the-saf-to-alameda-county-offi... That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. I’m not surprised that California is none too happy with Elon.

I live in Alameda County and our new cases have not been dropping for 6+ weeks. Just fluctuating up and down. Yesterday it spiked up a bit though I don't attribute it to Tesla. We haven't really run out of hospital capacity but I wonder where this will lead if the Tesla workers start getting sick. A lot of them also commute in from far off as Modesto for the work.

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by burrows » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:54 AM UTC

new_realist wrote: post #11

burrows wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. A truly professional pearl clutcher.

A pandemic is a matter of life and death.

Life is a matter of life and death.

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by Nightshaxx » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:54 AM UTC

koolba wrote: post #7

new_realist wrote: post #2

Contrary to what Tesla told Alameda County, the Tesla factory is (illegally) in full production, producing cars sitting on Pier 80 for export to Europe and China. https://tslaq.org/letter-from-the-saf-to-alameda-county-offi... That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. I’m not surprised that California is none too happy with Elon.

The illegal act is arbitrarily shutting down the ability to earn a livelihood. When these cases make their way through the courts I’m thinking they’re going to side with the Musks, not the Newsoms.

Why shut down jobs if they can be safely done with social distancing? Preventing someone from being to exercise their freedoms and feed their family when they aren't harming others is just illogical panic.

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by new_realist » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:55 AM UTC

msandford wrote: post #4

new_realist wrote: post #2

Contrary to what Tesla told Alameda County, the Tesla factory is (illegally) in full production, producing cars sitting on Pier 80 for export to Europe and China. https://tslaq.org/letter-from-the-saf-to-alameda-county-offi... That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. I’m not surprised that California is none too happy with Elon.

So are we going to ban all cars now? Average automobile deaths are ~30k per year. They're non essential. Let's all stop driving. "do whatever it takes to save lives"

COVID deaths are near 90K in the US (so far).

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by vulcan01 » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:55 AM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

> “In my opinion, given the recent threats of the CEO to leave the state of California, and everything else we’ve discussed today, this proposal does not rise to the level for me to feel secure in supporting it,” said Gretchen Newsom, a panel member and the political director of an IBEW electrical workers union local. > Though a small amount of money, the funding was opposed by organized labor groups. Tesla and Space…

That is assuming that Musk is a rational person...

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by all2well » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:56 AM UTC

msandford wrote: post #4

new_realist wrote: post #2

Contrary to what Tesla told Alameda County, the Tesla factory is (illegally) in full production, producing cars sitting on Pier 80 for export to Europe and China. https://tslaq.org/letter-from-the-saf-to-alameda-county-offi... That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. I’m not surprised that California is none too happy with Elon.

So are we going to ban all cars now? Average automobile deaths are ~30k per year. They're non essential. Let's all stop driving. "do whatever it takes to save lives"

About ~16k people are murdered every year in the US, however I would assume you think it's worthwhile to try and do something about that

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by toomuchtodo » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:56 AM UTC

vulcan01 wrote: post #16

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3

> “In my opinion, given the recent threats of the CEO to leave the state of California, and everything else we’ve discussed today, this proposal does not rise to the level for me to feel secure in supporting it,” said Gretchen Newsom, a panel member and the political director of an IBEW electrical workers union local. > Though a small amount of money, the funding was opposed by organized labor groups. Tesla and Space…

That is assuming that Musk is a rational person...

I actually quite enjoy when he’s exuberant, makes it more interesting. Boring leaders are boring.

In this example, Tesla and SpaceX have created at least tens of thousands of jobs in the state (Tesla indicates 50k+ if you include supplier related jobs), and California might be cutting off its nose to spite its face over $600k. That’s a very California thing to do, and if Musk loses his shit over that, it’d be a very Musk thing to do.

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by umvi » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:57 AM UTC

msandford wrote: post #4

new_realist wrote: post #2

Contrary to what Tesla told Alameda County, the Tesla factory is (illegally) in full production, producing cars sitting on Pier 80 for export to Europe and China. https://tslaq.org/letter-from-the-saf-to-alameda-county-offi... That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. I’m not surprised that California is none too happy with Elon.

So are we going to ban all cars now? Average automobile deaths are ~30k per year. They're non essential. Let's all stop driving. "do whatever it takes to save lives"

> do whatever it takes to save lives

When did this become the norm? It happened sometime in the last decade, this idea that life is the ultimate metric with which to measure the utility of some action.

I agree that life is precious and up there in importance, but I do not agree that it is the most important variable to optimize for. There are things more precious than life, such as freedom. Specifically, freedom that can be guaranteed for the next generation.

I worry that the "save lives" crusaders will eventually win and everyone will be safely enslaved in a brave new world of a super powerful government that doesn't let you do anything except have sex and do recreational drugs.

Re: California officials reject subsidies for SpaceX over Tesla spat

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Post by new_realist » Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:57 AM UTC

koolba wrote: post #7

new_realist wrote: post #2

Contrary to what Tesla told Alameda County, the Tesla factory is (illegally) in full production, producing cars sitting on Pier 80 for export to Europe and China. https://tslaq.org/letter-from-the-saf-to-alameda-county-offi... That’s not an essential activity; it’s just greedily risking California lives to serve luxury car consumers abroad. I’m not surprised that California is none too happy with Elon.

The illegal act is arbitrarily shutting down the ability to earn a livelihood. When these cases make their way through the courts I’m thinking they’re going to side with the Musks, not the Newsoms.

California unemployment benefits are generous; in fact, likely more generous than wages from risking your family’s health on the factory floor.