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If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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Whatever google has or has not done, that's not why I can't get traction. That's not it.

blogger's founder went on to create Medium after being chewed up and spit out by Google, you should give it a try you might have better luck

It's paywalled. I'm not interested.

Perhaps I'm a fool, but I don't want to be part of that kind of internet. Most of my blogs have no ads. There are no paywalls. There is no subscription.

I am trying to monetize it with Patreon and tips because I want that information to be freely available, but I have bills to pay. I gotta eat and I'm frequently broke.

I'm flat broke right now. That's an all too common occurrence.

So I'm pretty fed up with hearing people decry the evils of ads on the internet, decry paywalls and on and on because the same crowd that does all that turns around and tells me "Get a real job. Writing doesn't pay." and sees zero connection between their desire for free writing and my intractable poverty.

Meanwhile, local papers are going out of business left and right and it's a threat to political freedom.

I do everything I can to be an independent voice on various topics and people who bitch and moan endlessly about the loss of such do nothing but kick me in the teeth and tell me to stop whining about my problems.

If you want independent voices, support their Patreon. Give them tips. Don't kick the shit of them for posting their own stuff. Share their stuff.

Etc.

This is the world you are helping to create. You can be part of the solution or part of the problem. I have been desperately trying for years to be part of the solution and it isn't paying my bills, making me any friends, etc.

Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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The best way to bring back blogs is to start with your own. It looks like this is the author's fourth post and s/he hit a home run with the top post on HN. But that's rarely how things work. The thing few people tell you when you start blogging is how futile it will seem - for a long, long time. You'll start by posting something you put a lot of work into. You'll publish, thinking of all the comments and emails you'l…

Blogs haven't gone anywhere, now they're just "posts" on major platforms. That's what people chose, because it's easier. They gave up content rights and many, many possibilities for the ease of posting and the near instant views and feedback.

It's not just the "major platforms."

I have a blog which I've maintained for a long time and continue to publish on. But for a lot of the material I write on a day to day basis, I can publish at online pubs/sites where I have editorial support, an established audience, and promotional machinery. I'm not limited--I can always publish by myself--but for many of the things I write about I might as well choose an existing publication.

Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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It was weird reading this. My blog's been around for 16 years, always on my own platform(s), never on Blogger, Wordpress or the like (I have a presence on Medium, but post very seldom since I see little value in it).

Most of the 200-odd RSS feeds I follow are unique voices (albeit 50 or so are "mass market" stuff like Anandtech, The Verge, etc., just so that I know what is making the headlines).

We've always been here. Search results and social networks have added a lot of noise, but you can still get signal.

Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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I often notice when I start writing on a particular topic, I learn more about my thoughts and opinions of it and realize my thoughts are wrong or not really novel. Halfway in I give up since I feel like, "oh, this actually isn't really adding anything new to the conversation". Then I leave with a new humbleness about my beliefs but also a sense of "when am I actually going to know enough to warrant writing about it?"…

thats a great mindset, but its also funny because a lot of blog posts that do well are about rehashing basic things like "why open offices suck", or "why i chose node instead of ruby"

Yeah and when I think about writing about rehashing basic things, I realize why those basic things are so prevalent and why they actually shouldn't be rehashed. It's like a call to enlightenment.

Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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Twitter killed blogging. Not just the popularity of it, but the expectations of both the writer and reader. When Twitter launched, it was described as a "micro-blog", because that's what it is, really, before morphing into its own thing: a tweet.

We all know what a tweet is: A short polemic statement, usually emotional, biased or opinionated, but expressed as self-evident without any justification, explanation or thorough analysis, which simply wouldn't fit.

I was an avid blogger at the time Twitter started, thousands of daily readers, and relatively influential in my tech niche. I had every reason to continue. And yet after I started tweeting regularly, my blogging slowed and then stopped. That day had passed, and now my blog sits on my website like a monument to the 2000s. Many others were like this as well.

The reason is pretty simple: When you blog regularly, there's a certain itch to express an idea or an opinion that builds up and you want to scratch it by writing a post. But you'd ruminate on it for a while, so that it could be a decent sized post with rationale for your thought.

But tweeting could scratch that itch instantly - no need to save up enough of an idea to write a full blog post of a few paragraphs, you could just write, "Wow, foo sucks. Totally prefer bar instead." And the feeling was satisfied.

You'd think at the time that you'd save up some ideas and write a longer post later, and at first you did, but as time went by, later never seemed to come. And then, when it did, you'd be so used to culling your opinion down to the essential idea for a pithy tweet, fully expressing your thought became harder. Besides, the more open-ended a tweet was, the more opinionated, the more it would get reactions. It seemed that expressing fully formed ideas wasn't worth as much.

It was a vicious cycle, you'd blog less. And others who used to blog their ideas or leave comments wrote less as well, and that great feedback loop stalled as everything moved to tweets. Intelligent analysis was replaced by emotional exclamations and hard opinion. There's no room for nuance in a tweet.

And that's where we are now. With a president who's a master of tweeting unjustified, irrational opinion and lies and a society that responds in kind because doing otherwise takes too much time and effort.

Blogging is never coming back. Even this comment is probably too long for most HN readers to do anything more than just skim. And if they don't like a word or two, they'll downvote and move on, rather than write their thoughts out in a coherent manner.

Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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The best way to bring back blogs is to start with your own. It looks like this is the author's fourth post and s/he hit a home run with the top post on HN. But that's rarely how things work. The thing few people tell you when you start blogging is how futile it will seem - for a long, long time. You'll start by posting something you put a lot of work into. You'll publish, thinking of all the comments and emails you'l…

I feel that rather than blogging, more people should write comments. I’ve never written one blog article, but I’ve written a novel worth of comments over the years. A comment IMO is more pure and true, and is created out of a strong desire to say something, rather than for some other extrinsic motivation. My problem with blogging is that I can’t just write in a vacuum, I must always write in response to something and…

You can just blog a comment. Read something that moves your mind longer than the first barfed out comment? Blog it. Write down your thought process, discuss with yourself, do something thoughtful witout the stress of a public discussion.

Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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I think there could be more fun and experimental content on the web. I'm working on a side project called https://taaalk.co , where people have long and continuous text based conversations. Please check it out if you're looking for something new on the web. (Feedback welcomed)

Seems clickbaity to me, but i can expand my feedback if you want.

Yes please. The clickbaityness is not intentional

Re: If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be blogs

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Blogs and forums stopped being a thing when Google flushed them out sometime between 2009-2012 (with the Panda update? I'm not an SEO guy so I wasn't really following it at the time). Anyway, it felt like a bunch of places went from having active communities to stagnating or dying outright overnight. People forget just how much general innovation was being driven by these sites - Styleforum and AskAndy for men's fash…

Don't discount Instagram killing many of those communities. So much easier to take a picture on your phone and post it to your Instagram page or story. Better dopamine rush, too, from a bunch of Like/Comment notifications rather than maybe a single forum reply hours later.

Social media in general -- Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, etc. -- have made it easier than a blog to get your thoughts onto the internet, and the extremely social nature of those services and the instant feedback and conversation they encourage (the social part) is very compelling.

Even though the major blog platforms (Movable Type, WordPress, Blogger/Blogspot, etc.) had a social component in the form of comments, the big social media sites -- including Reddit -- took it up quite a few notches. People like the feedback and the conversation. Blogs can be much more of an island. Some like that, too.

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