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Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Post by illumin8 »

partyboat1586 wrote: post #3

Reminds me of the weekly clapping for the NHS here in the UK when what they really need is a pay rise and PPE supplies. Sometimes thank you is not enough. In the case of Amazon this seems much more sinister and cult like. I struggle to believe that any of the warehouse workers buy into it.

I read a great comment on Reddit on the news article about the 7th Amazon worker dying of Covid-19, and their refusal to even share the number of positive cases with the other employees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/gkbcee/a_sevent...

Quoted in full: "I automatically get angry when I hear the word hero now lol.

It's propaganda. It's not for us, it's to help the customers and society not feel bad about shopping. We're not wage slaves stuck in our shitty dangerous jobs for shit pay, because if that were the case people would have to feel guilty about coming to the store to shop. People might even feel so guilty that they boycott and cut into profits and we can't have that.

So instead we're heroes! We're loyal dedicated members of the Retail Family, we're choosing to work to help society get through this tough time. If we're heroes, customers don't have to feel guilty about coming to the store. If we get sick or die, they can throw a parade in honour of our selfless heroism instead of doing the hard work of actually improving our situation. Calling us heroes is like. A warm and fuzzy way to dehumanize us."

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Post by hutzlibu »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #56
hutzlibu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asume when we are talking about "underpaid health care workers" we are not talking about doctors, but nurses. But both deserve bonus crisis.

Not necessarily nurses underpaid: orderlies cleaning services kitchen staff not sure if underpaid: Midwife Physiotherapist

"Midwife Physiotherapist"

Definitely underpaid in germany.

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

hutzlibu wrote: post #122
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily nurses underpaid: orderlies cleaning services kitchen staff not sure if underpaid: Midwife Physiotherapist

"Midwife Physiotherapist" Definitely underpaid in germany.

oh yeah, I forgot to put the round brackets around services too.

orderlies cleaning (services) kitchen staff

that's definitely underpaid as well.

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Post by koheripbal »

d3nj4l wrote: post #119
koheripbal wrote: post #116

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Literally nothing in that article supports your argument. 2 million people have tested positive - most of them probably did not contract it at work.

Did you even read the article? > In the past few days, workers tested positive for covid-19 at Amazon warehouses and shipping facilities across the country. > workers complain Amazon hasn’t provided them with enough information about the spread of virus in their facilities > [a worker] only found out there was an infected co-worker after confronting a human resources staffer in the break room > Some workers complaine…

Again, none of these sentences indicate that anyone was infected at work - nor that it's any more dangerous than literally everyone else's work place.

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Post by deadgunslinger »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #39
deadgunslinger wrote: post #15

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Do you believe permanently raising wages to offset black swan events such as the COVID-19 epidemic is a wise move? What about the next black swan event? Are they going to be paid enough then or they'll need a pay rise again? Healthcare professionals are paid much more compared to the average UK citizen. Especially doctors, the average pay (100k pounds) is in the 2% of the earners. Emigrant doctors couldn't even dream…

Yes. Rise all wages to the point where everyone can at least fully support a family with it. You know, like during the good times when capitalism was still generating prosperity beside the usual death and destruction.

What an overstatement. We live in the most prosperous era of humanity. People have never had it better than today.

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Post by deadgunslinger »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #114
deadgunslinger wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe permanently raising wages to offset black swan events such as the COVID-19 epidemic is a wise move? What about the next black swan event? Are they going to be paid enough then or they'll need a pay rise again? Healthcare professionals are paid much more compared to the average UK citizen. Especially doctors, the average pay (100k pounds) is in the 2% of the earners. Emigrant doctors couldn't even dream…

Everyone should earn more. The best thing you can do for the economy is giving ordinary people more money.

Why? Aside from the fact that if you give everybody more money you're just raising the supply of money in the market so people essentially have the same purchasing power as before, except now their integer in a database is bigger.

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Post by deadgunslinger »

dean177 wrote: post #34
deadgunslinger wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe permanently raising wages to offset black swan events such as the COVID-19 epidemic is a wise move? What about the next black swan event? Are they going to be paid enough then or they'll need a pay rise again? Healthcare professionals are paid much more compared to the average UK citizen. Especially doctors, the average pay (100k pounds) is in the 2% of the earners. Emigrant doctors couldn't even dream…

> Healthcare professionals are paid much more compared to the average UK citizen. Especially doctors, the average pay (100k pounds) This is just utter nonsense. The average UK salary is around £30,000. Nurses can expect to earn anywhere between £22,000 and £30,000. Junior doctors (which a new doctor can expect to be for somewhere around 5 years) starts at £23,000 increasing to somewhere between £30,000 to £45,000. GP…

Where do you get your numbers from? Judging for how off your data is for GPs[0] I don't want to imagine about the others.

[0]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/29/average-gp-now-e...

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Post by sand_castles »

econcon wrote: post #58
sand_castles wrote: post #54

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aliexpress ? takes a lot longer for delivery though.

Yes, I look for one that ships with Gati.cn it usually takes 7 days to arrive here. Amazon India usually has same product listed for 2-3x the price.

it says the domain is for sale.

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Post by dajohnson89 »

d3nj4l wrote: post #117
koheripbal wrote: post #107

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> isn't all pay hazard pay? Not really. Not all jobs are risky. I fail to see how being in a well ventilated warehouse is risky. It's not like they're interacting with customers.

Regardless of what you think about what working in a warehouse entails, the article itself states that the hazard pay was instituted for the warehouse workers for coming in during the pandemic. There is no way you can cut that pay while the stated reason for that hazard pay is still extant, and claim that it is not a pay cut in real terms.

This isn't about whether the hazard pay cut was justified. IMHO it wasn't justified.

The problem is that someone who didnt know hazard pay was in place could see the headline and infer that a reduction in pay from the normal rate happened. You could say that's unscrupulous on the reader's part, but it's equally unscrupulous of the publication to use a potentially misleading title.

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

deadgunslinger wrote: post #126
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone should earn more. The best thing you can do for the economy is giving ordinary people more money.

Why? Aside from the fact that if you give everybody more money you're just raising the supply of money in the market so people essentially have the same purchasing power as before, except now their integer in a database is bigger.

This isn't how the economy works. If thst was the case nobody would ever earn more, which of course isn't true.

Wages are only a small part of a products price, and there also is enough evidence that for example raising the minimum wage does actually help people.

For why it works, its simple: non-rich people spend any extra money, rich people don't do anything useful with their extra money. Which is also why trickle-down economics is a scam when its being presented as a way to help poor or average people. It does work of course as a way to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich.

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