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Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Amazon atleast in India is not the cheapest option. I usually buy stuff from Chinese e-commerce websites where you can find things much cheaper.

Imagine thinking that China is less evil than Amazon.

It's not about any of them being evil.

I've limited money and I choose to spend so that I get maximum spending least within the legal framework.

And most of the Amazon basics item come from china too.

So doesn't matter who you choose, china is benefits either way.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Here's the technical essay on this: https://www.conradbastable.com/essays/the-germany-shock-the-... If people are against Chinese currency manipulation, they should be against what Germany does.

That article doesn't say what you claim it does. It also covers a lot of stuff that would be no surprise to anyone in the EU (within and outside of Germany), and it's not particularly well put together either. Any article talking about German manufacturing that doesn't examine its Mittelstand in detail isn't worth much. There are tons of other points missing there too. Let's just say it's not great, but it sounds lik…

>Let's just say it's not great, but it sounds like you have an axe to grind so we should just leave it here.

It's against HN guidelines. Suggesting ulterior motives behind my comments, is seen as a comment made in bad faith.

Germany has great quality of life because it has managed to ship its underclass to East of Europe.

If you don't believe this is true then why EU doesn't have free trade agreement with China or India? Yea you may suspect that their cheap low quality product will flood local market and outcompete the local producers. But how about high tech producers who have vastly superior technology and productivity flood poor countries with their high quality but cheap to produce products? Is that fine?

All I am saying is, there should be no union and free movement of goods and people between poor country and rich country. When this happens, rich country becomes even richer and poor country does grow a bit but it's upside is limited in long run.

And any farmer in Romania who has sold his land to Automobile companies from Germany can attest to it.

Germany isn't a winner in EU because it's best, it's winner because it started off better. When EU was formed, German producers flooded eastern economies with their mass produced goods and bought out their lands and local companies. The opposite couldn't happen because Eastern producers were technically and capital wise behind.

Unlike others I don't really believe in moral superiority of West European countries the fact that France still gets royalities from Africa (stinks of Imperialism) and Germany cramming Romanian farm laborers by not even offering them "social distancing" reeks of exploitation.

As EU members figure out the con of perpetual poverty trap, they'll walk away from EU.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Given the current scenario, isn't all pay hazard pay? Edit: And it's mentioned in the article as well: > The token comes as Amazon announced it would be cutting the $2 per hour wage hike it brought in for staff in mid-March as hazard pay for coming in during the pandemic. The "Hazard Pay" was a pay rise for coming in during the pandemic, which as far as I can see hasn't ended yet. Cutting hazard pay right now, in rea…

> isn't all pay hazard pay? Not really. Not all jobs are risky. I fail to see how being in a well ventilated warehouse is risky. It's not like they're interacting with customers.

> I fail to see how being in a well ventilated warehouse is risky

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't happening.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/24/amazon-...

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Reminds me of the weekly clapping for the NHS here in the UK when what they really need is a pay rise and PPE supplies. Sometimes thank you is not enough. In the case of Amazon this seems much more sinister and cult like. I struggle to believe that any of the warehouse workers buy into it.

Do you believe permanently raising wages to offset black swan events such as the COVID-19 epidemic is a wise move? What about the next black swan event? Are they going to be paid enough then or they'll need a pay rise again? Healthcare professionals are paid much more compared to the average UK citizen. Especially doctors, the average pay (100k pounds) is in the 2% of the earners. Emigrant doctors couldn't even dream…

Everyone should earn more. The best thing you can do for the economy is giving ordinary people more money.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Personnaly, the COVID episode is the final straw. I live in France rural area. Amazon brings huge benefits and comodities there but I can't stand their attitude towards employees anymore.

The base salary in the warehouse is $15 per hour in the US, and similarly higher than average in France. It's a bit odd that the one retailer than meets the most aggressively demanded Progressive goal, seems to be the target of near-daily attack articles. It's almost as if there's something else going on with all this anti-Amazon news... isn't there?

Excuse me but what do you mean with "It's a bit odd that the one retailer than meets the most aggressively demanded Progressive goal" ? real question.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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> isn't all pay hazard pay? Not really. Not all jobs are risky. I fail to see how being in a well ventilated warehouse is risky. It's not like they're interacting with customers.

> I fail to see how being in a well ventilated warehouse is risky Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't happening. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/24/amazon-...

Literally nothing in that article supports your argument.

2 million people have tested positive - most of them probably did not contract it at work.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Given the current scenario, isn't all pay hazard pay? Edit: And it's mentioned in the article as well: > The token comes as Amazon announced it would be cutting the $2 per hour wage hike it brought in for staff in mid-March as hazard pay for coming in during the pandemic. The "Hazard Pay" was a pay rise for coming in during the pandemic, which as far as I can see hasn't ended yet. Cutting hazard pay right now, in rea…

> isn't all pay hazard pay? Not really. Not all jobs are risky. I fail to see how being in a well ventilated warehouse is risky. It's not like they're interacting with customers.

Regardless of what you think about what working in a warehouse entails, the article itself states that the hazard pay was instituted for the warehouse workers for coming in during the pandemic. There is no way you can cut that pay while the stated reason for that hazard pay is still extant, and claim that it is not a pay cut in real terms.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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> I fail to see how being in a well ventilated warehouse is risky Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't happening. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/24/amazon-...

Literally nothing in that article supports your argument. 2 million people have tested positive - most of them probably did not contract it at work.

Did you even read the article?

> In the past few days, workers tested positive for covid-19 at Amazon warehouses and shipping facilities across the country.

> workers complain Amazon hasn’t provided them with enough information about the spread of virus in their facilities

> [a worker] only found out there was an infected co-worker after confronting a human resources staffer in the break room

> Some workers complained that Amazon pushes them to meet the per-hour rate at which it wants orders fulfilled, a practice that they worry discourages safe sanitary practices such as washing hands after a cough or sneeze. Others have complained about “stand-up” meetings, where workers stand shoulder-to-shoulder at the start of each shift.

All of these support the notion that working in a warehouse is risky during the pandemic.

In any case, how does the proportion of people who contracted the coronavirus at work to total number of positive cases so far have to do with anything? If your hypothesis is true (and you've given no evidence for that), it could very likely be because of the lockdowns we've had so far, which have prevented people from going to work in situations where they could've gotten it. Regardless, the proportion has nothing to do with how risky working in a warehouse is in the first place!

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Do you believe permanently raising wages to offset black swan events such as the COVID-19 epidemic is a wise move? What about the next black swan event? Are they going to be paid enough then or they'll need a pay rise again? Healthcare professionals are paid much more compared to the average UK citizen. Especially doctors, the average pay (100k pounds) is in the 2% of the earners. Emigrant doctors couldn't even dream…

The COVID-19 epidemic is not a black swan event. It is a foreseeable event with a computable probability of happening. Epidemics are recurring events throughout human history, including in the present day. Sure, the recurrence is low, especially for global pandemics, but you can be almost absolutely sure that within the next 100 years there will be another one. In fact, even in the black swan book, they are explicitl…

What do you mean the didn’t have a plan?

Step 1: cause panic Step 2: profit

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