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Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by Spooky23 »

throwlaplace wrote: post #29
netcan wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe had many more dialects and languages than now... Some of extinction stories are genocidal as well. We have to assume a lot about what happened as Rome colonised southern europe, for example, but much of it probably rhymes what happened in the americas.

this is like people comparing the indigenous african slave trade to the triangle trade - completely facile. >Rome colonised southern europe colonization in the ancient world wasn't rapacious like it was in the new world. conquered peoples maintained much of their way of life and simply became vassal. in the roman case (towards the end) they even got roman citizenship. Edit:I finally figured out hn downvotes - paper o…

Tell that to the Gauls!

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by drevil-v2 »

Australia, 98 deaths and 16 people in ICU. Entire economy destroyed. Either we will make money meaningless by printing it out of thin air or coming decades will witness crushing tax. 5 million people unemployed out of population of 22 million.

Someone fucked up.

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by mrfusion »

mathdev wrote: post #7

Interesting predictions. However, they do not fit the facts on the ground, at least here in Poland, which is some weeks ahead of the US with respect to the development of the epidemic. (I'm relieved that) people have gotten sick and tired of the restrictions, about 50% (and growing every day) are not wearing the masks inside anymore, or bother with the distancing, despite official requirements. All restaurants and ba…

Any more reading on taleb’s take? Could it be bottom up but kind of ignited and fed by media coverage?

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by mrfusion »

mathdev wrote: post #7

Interesting predictions. However, they do not fit the facts on the ground, at least here in Poland, which is some weeks ahead of the US with respect to the development of the epidemic. (I'm relieved that) people have gotten sick and tired of the restrictions, about 50% (and growing every day) are not wearing the masks inside anymore, or bother with the distancing, despite official requirements. All restaurants and ba…

What makes you see a second wave as likely? (Not challenging you, I’m just curious)

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by throwlaplace »

Spooky23 wrote: post #31
throwlaplace wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is like people comparing the indigenous african slave trade to the triangle trade - completely facile. >Rome colonised southern europe colonization in the ancient world wasn't rapacious like it was in the new world. conquered peoples maintained much of their way of life and simply became vassal. in the roman case (towards the end) they even got roman citizenship. Edit:I finally figured out hn downvotes - paper o…

Tell that to the Gauls!

>In the five centuries between Caesar's conquest and the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, the Gaulish language and cultural identity underwent a syncretism with the Roman culture of the new governing class, and evolved into a hybrid Gallo-Roman culture that eventually permeated all levels of society

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Gaul

Can you point to symbiosis with native American culture that resembles that to any extent today in the US? All we have are racist football team mascots

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by lonelappde »

buzzkillington wrote: post #10
asaegyn wrote: post #2

Always amuses me how the apocalypse of Inidgenous Americans never seems to make the cut...

Winners don't talk about the people they murdered to win. Same thing about Australia, Canada and less so New Zealand. It is also hilarious that the USSR is the only country apart from Japan to successfully industrialize and avoid a colonial genocide from a Western power. If you could pick a place to live being a Russian in Moscow 1919 would give you a much better chance of surviving compared to being an Indian in Man…

Russians were genocided by their own government, not a foreign power (except for the many used as meatbags in WWII).

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by dntbnmpls »

netcan wrote: post #27
dntbnmpls wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad but true. People even deny native genocide. I had a comment yesterday saying the natives didn't experience genocide but were simply "moved off their land". But I guess I can understand it somewhat. It took me a long time to come to terms with it as well. The genocide of the natives didn't sink in until I saw a list of the native languages that were wiped out along with the natives. It was dozens and dozens o…

Europe had many more dialects and languages than now... Some of extinction stories are genocidal as well. We have to assume a lot about what happened as Rome colonised southern europe, for example, but much of it probably rhymes what happened in the americas.

> Europe had many more dialects and languages than now...

Yes I know. The difference is that with the natives, the language disappeared because the people got exterminated rather than through forced standardization/adoption of national languages.

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by mrfusion »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #32

Australia, 98 deaths and 16 people in ICU. Entire economy destroyed. Either we will make money meaningless by printing it out of thin air or coming decades will witness crushing tax. 5 million people unemployed out of population of 22 million. Someone fucked up.

Sorry you’re getting downvoted. I’m with you.

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by mikepurvis »

throwlaplace wrote: post #29
netcan wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe had many more dialects and languages than now... Some of extinction stories are genocidal as well. We have to assume a lot about what happened as Rome colonised southern europe, for example, but much of it probably rhymes what happened in the americas.

this is like people comparing the indigenous african slave trade to the triangle trade - completely facile. >Rome colonised southern europe colonization in the ancient world wasn't rapacious like it was in the new world. conquered peoples maintained much of their way of life and simply became vassal. in the roman case (towards the end) they even got roman citizenship. Edit:I finally figured out hn downvotes - paper o…

The people being conquered in Europe were also a lot less vulnerable in several key ways— my understanding is that they were largely overwhelmed by superior military tactics and infrastructure (roads and so on), but once conquered they were at a similar level in overall technology and well positioned to participate in the larger Roman economy.

North American native peoples faced new infectious diseases that they weren't at all prepared for, a huge technological disparity (guns), and a lot of predatory economics (trading away valuable furs for beads and trinkets).

Re: How Apocalyptic Is Now?

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Post by giantDinosaur »

mikepurvis wrote: post #30
giantDinosaur wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's evident by this point that you can avoid total lockdowns and still control infections. Permanent lockdown is simply not a realistic solution, so I expect we'll all start tending towards the Swedish model, regardless of how much gnashing of teeth and fiery twitter rhetoric such decisions will generate. As for the apocalyptic atmosphere - it doesn't seem possible to really predict how bad/good things will get. How…

> How many predicted during WW2 that upon its exit would be a period of unprecedented social progress & economic equality? There was some precedent there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties

How silly, of course, since WW1 hadn't ended yet!
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