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Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Reading this makes me thing I should divest. I feel ashamed owning shares in a company that thinks 20 hours unpaid time off a quarter is reasonable.

It's getting harder and harder to participate in the modern world for me. So far I've deleted my accounts on Uber (because of the harassment reports) Airbnb (because they don't give a fuck about scams), and last, Twitter (because they were enabling Nazis, and continuing to use Twitter is basically endorsing Twitter in my eyes). But the majority of the world seems to just shrug and are fine with the terrible behaviour…

The slaves must free themselves - I always think of the start of the mining unions - the strikes went on for a long time, and they were very nasty, it was a huge fight. People have been tricked out of these rights that were hard won, capital won't easily go back to decent conditions for workers without a fight.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

#82

The title is purposefully misleading. Amazon is not handing out ‘Thank you’ T-shirts to its warehouse workers. It is handing out “Thanks to you, we will deliver” T-shirts to its fulfillment associates. It is a societal statement on their power dynamics, not a hypocritical act. Amazon wants to be seen as exploitative today, because it will morally justify the layoffs tomorrow once all this is automated away.

“fulfillment associates” - wow, the word employee is too laden with Socialist entitlement! Let’s new-speak them into “associates”... sounds like a Country Club membership

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

#83

Reminds me of the weekly clapping for the NHS here in the UK when what they really need is a pay rise and PPE supplies. Sometimes thank you is not enough. In the case of Amazon this seems much more sinister and cult like. I struggle to believe that any of the warehouse workers buy into it.

Do you believe permanently raising wages to offset black swan events such as the COVID-19 epidemic is a wise move? What about the next black swan event? Are they going to be paid enough then or they'll need a pay rise again? Healthcare professionals are paid much more compared to the average UK citizen. Especially doctors, the average pay (100k pounds) is in the 2% of the earners. Emigrant doctors couldn't even dream…

I think a Black Swan event is an opportunity to shift society out of an inadequate equilibrium. Not just for NHS staff but to reshape the relationship between capital and labor.

Top 2% of income is no great shakes when you look at the full distribution. The 0.1 and 0.01% make several orders of magnitude more.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

#84
post #8

Reminds me of the weekly clapping for the NHS here in the UK when what they really need is a pay rise and PPE supplies. Sometimes thank you is not enough. In the case of Amazon this seems much more sinister and cult like. I struggle to believe that any of the warehouse workers buy into it.

Agreed. Where could we get the tax money to make those pay rises from? hmmm

Bermuda? Panama? Switzerland? Cayman Islands? Bermuda? Delaware? Oh there’s plenty places

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

#85
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The COVID-19 epidemic is not a black swan event. It is a foreseeable event with a computable probability of happening. Epidemics are recurring events throughout human history, including in the present day. Sure, the recurrence is low, especially for global pandemics, but you can be almost absolutely sure that within the next 100 years there will be another one. In fact, even in the black swan book, they are explicitl…

Here's how this would go. The UK government did have epidemic plans, including a stockpile of PPE. Here's how the BBC described that stockpile: "Coronavirus: UK failed to stockpile crucial PPE". Of the four items that it complains were missing from the stockpile - gowns, visors, swabs and body bags - two (gowns and swabs) were ones that the government didn't expect to need for the epidemics it was planning for, the v…

Perhaps you missed the C4 doco which showed that stockpiles of PPE of all kinds were run down and what was left was often out of date.

Or the conclusions of the government's own Exercise Cygnus in 2016 which stated clearly that this should never be allowed to happen because the consequences would be beyond horrific.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting harder and harder to participate in the modern world for me. So far I've deleted my accounts on Uber (because of the harassment reports) Airbnb (because they don't give a fuck about scams), and last, Twitter (because they were enabling Nazis, and continuing to use Twitter is basically endorsing Twitter in my eyes). But the majority of the world seems to just shrug and are fine with the terrible behaviour…

The slaves must free themselves - I always think of the start of the mining unions - the strikes went on for a long time, and they were very nasty, it was a huge fight. People have been tricked out of these rights that were hard won, capital won't easily go back to decent conditions for workers without a fight.

Early 20th century unionisation only happened in the US after pitched battles and gun fights, and when that didn't stop it it was bought off where possible.

A lot of that history seems to have been suppressed to the point that hardly anyone knows about it. It's certainly not something you'll see being mentioned on any mainstream media channel.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany also imported farm labor from Romania and cramped them in airplanes without any social distancing. Meanwhile I hear lots of Germans don't really work and still get to live high quality life. I am here suggesting that Germany only cares about its own citizens as they help Germany enable control over capital and means of production, including technology financing, adminstration at the same time it doesn't care…

I don't know where you get your information from but it's largely fantasy. Perhaps you should spend some time in Germany getting to know it. Then you might also find the implication that Germans are lazy and getting foreigners to do their work for them laughable.

Here's the technical essay on this: https://www.conradbastable.com/essays/the-germany-shock-the-...

If people are against Chinese currency manipulation, they should be against what Germany does.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

#88
post #13

Aside from the general tone-deafness of this move, shouldn't the management at the warehouses be the ones wearing the thank you t-shirts? To you know, thank the workers... I'm sure those workers would probably prefer and deserve a bonus and a heartfelt individual thank you though.

Workers are resources, not people. You're not considered a person in the US unless your net worth is high enough to make work unnecessary, and you can deal with a serious medical emergency without being bankrupted by it.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

#89

The title is purposefully misleading. Amazon is not handing out ‘Thank you’ T-shirts to its warehouse workers. It is handing out “Thanks to you, we will deliver” T-shirts to its fulfillment associates. It is a societal statement on their power dynamics, not a hypocritical act. Amazon wants to be seen as exploitative today, because it will morally justify the layoffs tomorrow once all this is automated away.

Found the Amazon manager.

Re: Amazon is handing out 'Thank you' t-shirts to warehouse workers as it cuts pay

#90

Personnaly, the COVID episode is the final straw. I live in France rural area. Amazon brings huge benefits and comodities there but I can't stand their attitude towards employees anymore.

Shouldn't French Amazon employees be safe due to French labour laws?
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