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Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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@akiselev: I haven't only been applying to US locations of US companies (e.g. Google Switzerland). But a SWE from Google gave me a referral link to which I'm grateful. I wonder to what extent it will help though since it went through HN and we just met. I want a phone screen and be told that I am or am not good enough. I can have peace with this if one FAANG company shoots me down on my D&A skills. For my own sanity,…

I don't know how many satellite offices you've applied to in the EU but I bet your sample size is very small. Don't get discouraged! Hiring processes at most companies are byzantine, multinationals even more so. It's really hard to tell who's pulling the strings or what the constraints are unless you're directly involved in the hiring decisions. I've passed on at least one once-in-a-lifetime hire (brilliant engineer…

> Don't judge your self worth based on the latest shiny megacorp's inscrutable interview process.

The following comment might be too candid and too unpopular. I'm sorry about that. I need to write it down somewhere with the potential for some interaction (it helps me learn). I know I'm not alone in this feeling though. Though, I'm pretty sure the majority of people won't share my opinion. So either there is something I should correct in myself, or I'm a bit odd regarding what I'm about to say. I guess some financially independent people feel similar about this

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It's not about self-worth. My financial worth depends on it and with it the freedom and possibilities I have. Now, I maybe be biased in how I view my options.

Which is why I said, maybe I should find a career coach.

The way I see it: no job at FAANG means less secure freedom. There is a lot of freedom to be had as an entrepreneur, or as an artist. It's also a lot less secure. There are indeed drawbacks for being in golden handcuffs and not having a lot of free time when working at FAANG. But as far as I can tell: while the freedom is skewed towards money and not time, if you don't have lifestyle inflation and save up the money, you can retire quite a bit earlier.

I want freedom. I want to retire earlier.

And now that I know that I have to work at least until I'm 67, because I can't get an amazing career start, that hurts. I know it's a spoiled statement to make compared to the rest of the population and perhaps even an insult to the world to consider this normal. Nevertheless, I've worked for this goal in particular and I'm seeing nothing of it back. My family has worked at this as well, they did their best into letting me succeed. Yet, I spectacurlarly failed.

I'm not worth less because of it, but financially I am worth less because of it. And because I'm worth less financially, I am able to do less with the life that I want to do.

Of the waking hours:

- 50% of my life is spent working

- 25% of my life is spent doing mundane tasks

- 25% of my life is spent doing what I want

If I could increase from 25% to 100%, then in a sense I live 4 times as long.

Note: I like programming, but I don't love it. For me programming is similar to physically moving around, except now I'm physically moving around in the digital world. I like to do it when it's needed, but not much more than that. I'm not an athlete (a person who only loves physical movement).

There are so many things that I love (that don't make any money or are very risky). I want to do those things instead, but I've seen with a lot of family members how that turns out (bad). Startup failures are real. Life changing successes don't come around often, if at all. This is even the case when you're a person who does everything right.

Now I know that I have to be happy with living a life like the rest of us: mostly doing things that I don't want to do but have to.

I know I have to grow up in this sense (despite my age), but it's a gloomy future and one I don't get excited by. It feels too boring. I don't really see the point of it other than raising children and doing your best they can live a life that feels fulfilling to them, if you have them already. If you don't, then one should reflect deeply on whether they want to burden their children with a father who feels that life is too boring (because they are mostly doing things they don't want to do) and couldn't care less.

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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So much of everything is about connections and reputation. Tech in particular holds up a guise that people are chosen and ascend because they are “good”, meaning, they are good at what they do. That’s part of it, but it’s an insufficient part, and you can do pretty well in a career being solidly average at what you do. The real currency in my experience is one thing - relationships. Do I think this person likes, resp…

>Do I think this person likes, respects, and would vouch for me? But do you know who else does this for you? A dog. I've never promoted anyone who likes me or respects me or vouched for me, I promote those who are reliable and have have skills to achieve the task at hand, one who will not betray themselves or their company for some kickback.

Both are valid IMO. Of course you wouldn't choose a spineless clown who only knows to please the others but not actually do any real work (though admittedly this might be what's actually happening in some places). But on the contrary, you probably also wouldn't choose somebody who only does 10x work but has endless toxic conflicts with the others and can't cooperate/earn mutual respect.

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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I wonder how many commenters actually read the article posted here. The validity of this general statement is something worth debating, for sure, but in this particular case, it doesn't seem like that Chairman Phillipson "doesn't know what he's talking about", as the author seems to be suggesting. But rather, he's trying to defend his political position, for some political aims (remember that he's a politician now, instead of an academic publishing a paper). It would be quite untenable (though of course not impossible), for a chairman to join force with opinions bashing the results published by his own agency, especially when some clear political antagonism exists.

In many situations, it's not that the person doesn't know what they're talking about or is "bluffing", but that they are deliberately presenting a position that fits their current role and benefits them in some way. I totally agree that the former does happen, but those two things are really distinct, and if the author conflates those two and throws out a blanket claim that "stats is hard", it's not really helpful.

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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>Do I think this person likes, respects, and would vouch for me? But do you know who else does this for you? A dog. I've never promoted anyone who likes me or respects me or vouched for me, I promote those who are reliable and have have skills to achieve the task at hand, one who will not betray themselves or their company for some kickback.

Both are valid IMO. Of course you wouldn't choose a spineless clown who only knows to please the others but not actually do any real work (though admittedly this might be what's actually happening in some places). But on the contrary, you probably also wouldn't choose somebody who only does 10x work but has endless toxic conflicts with the others and can't cooperate/earn mutual respect.

But a person doesn't have to respect, vouch for me, or like me to be a toxic person

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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So much of everything is about connections and reputation. Tech in particular holds up a guise that people are chosen and ascend because they are “good”, meaning, they are good at what they do. That’s part of it, but it’s an insufficient part, and you can do pretty well in a career being solidly average at what you do. The real currency in my experience is one thing - relationships. Do I think this person likes, resp…

Eventually this does make sense in some ways. It's commonly accepted that you would want to avoid a 10x programmer who is toxic and drags everybody in the team down. So what's the huge difference of that to what you're describing? You'd much rather have in an important position somebody who everybody can trust, has mutual respect for, and is willing to work with, to somebody who is untrustworthy and looks down upon everybody. This pulls everybody together and eventually results in much better results for the organization (and hunter/gatherer group for example in ancient times), compared to the situation where one person has brilliant hard skills but makes everybody really uncomfortable and demotivated.

Of course, one might interpret what you said in a slightly different way, in that two groups of people would fight each other and only vote for people within their group, which would be sorta counterproductive for the whole organization. However, the behavior still actually makes sense for the particular group that those people are in and creates the maximum benefits for everybody in that group. For the organization, it would then be a problem of reconciliating the interests of different groups of people.

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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Economics is the most cliquish field by far. There are basically five universities that matter, they get all the citations, no matter how dumb their research is. It's just fashion (and grant money). Everybody else desperately tries to win favor with the elite and just replicates their worst tendencies. In a real science you get citations all over the place. In economics all the citations are Harvard/Yale/Princeton/St…

I would argue that the results from the now infamous “Replication crisis” point otherwise.

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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The reality hurts so much, and it's upsetting to me I can't be more grateful (some people that I know are homeless and hungry, relatively rare in The Netherlands but it's there). I should've done my own research when I was young, but I was young. I didn't know that going to the US would be so tough, no one tells you. 18 months of not even being looked at in most cases, especially US companies (some Dutch companies di…

@akiselev: I haven't only been applying to US locations of US companies (e.g. Google Switzerland). But a SWE from Google gave me a referral link to which I'm grateful. I wonder to what extent it will help though since it went through HN and we just met. I want a phone screen and be told that I am or am not good enough. I can have peace with this if one FAANG company shoots me down on my D&A skills. For my own sanity,…

When I was in a similar position, i had to make loads applications, almost a hundred. The ones that came off are the ones i least expected. I needed this many because in the begining I sucked at interviews, misunderstood questions/what people where after, etc. Also FAANG will not neccesarily give you the most meaningfull work, there are plenty of smaller firms working on important things in life

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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Um, yes. The statistical community has not been doing well with the coronavirus epidemic. Nobody's models seem to be predicting well. Nor is the source data for anything but deaths very good. This matters, because the current plan US plan seems to be "open things up and wait for herd immunity". How much time, and how many deaths, lie between now and that point? I dunno.

> This matters, because the current plan US plan seems to be "open things up and wait for herd immunity". How much time, and how many deaths, lie between now and that point? I dunno. This seems pretty straightforward, no? You re-open cautiously, wait a few weeks, make sure your hospital resources aren't being overwhelmed, then open up a bit more, rinse and repeat. I wasn't aware there was another way.

The trace model: identify each infected person, trace all their contacts, test all of them, expand outwards. Full quarantine the infected. Intensive but it works; see South Korea and New Zealand.

The "herd immunity" plan can only work with more than 50% of the population infected, of which about 1% will die and some slightly higher percentage suffer lingering ill health, which in the US means at least a million people.

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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Very difficult to understand what's going here, through the snark, personal abuse, name calling, and political bias. Everyone's trying to communicate through increasingly scathing Tweets and declaring each time that the previous Tweet is yet another new low point. Not a useful way for anyone to get a point across. Everyone should be embarrassed.

Definitely agree, this whole affair has a real rashamon vibe to it. it feels like everyone involved (the article, philipson, and furman) are talking past each other. As far as I can tell, everyone agrees forecasting and curve fitting are different things, and that a cubic fit (red line, allegedly) would be a bad representation of what the future will hold. The disagreement seems to be: - furman believes (or claims to…

thank you for this great summary; i couldn't understand it myself, but can with your help.

my only regret is that now that I understand it, i realize it's not interesting (to me personally)

Re: So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering

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Let's say you have a for loop that is supposed to run once, but some "programmer" calls it a hundred times. The program still works, but it's a lot slower. Input lag on devices has doubled or tripled from the 1980s while clock speeds have increased drastically. Reddit and Hackernews do essentially the same task, yet Hackernews' load times are almost instant while Reddit takes more than a second to load at times. It's…

We've outsourced the cost of development from the developer to the user. Noone wants to write low level code because learning it costs money, so instead we just throw more hardware at the problem until it goes away...

Sort of. Would a user use all of that compute if it all wasn’t wasted? Probably not. What we’ve done is “inflate away” (similar to fiat and central bank policy) the need for additional human developer time through Moore’s law. We all pay for this through annual tech spend, which keeps the advancement treadmill running.

Human time is expensive, so it makes sense to throw anything cheaper at the problem first.

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