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Yes, this was the opinion I came here to post, certainly my own profession of law is like this, at least where I practice in Toronto Canada but I can't imagine other places being much different. I think one advantage of computers is that what you produce at the end has to work - and if the code doesn't work or you don't know what you're doing, you're quickly exposed as a fraud. This is not the case in other fields li…
> I think one advantage of computers is that what you produce at the end has to work No that's not true, that something works is beginner level stuff in many cases. In some cases you're right though, because what has been asked is a super tough problem to crack. I'll showcase the moments in which the "it has to work" requirement is not enough. To show this example, I already have to break 2 conventions that are a no…
So much of academia is about connections and reputation laundering
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry to shock you, but not every piece of text on the internet holds water mathematically. Plot a cubic polynomial in time, a t^3 + b t^2 + c*t + d. Use Excel. The curve either diverges to + or - infinity at each end, or it's a constant. That's not the behavior of the dashed red curve in the OP. What it could be is some kind of cubic spline. But it is not a cubic polynomial in time.
It’s apparently a cubic polynomial fit to the logged data — see http://bactra.org/weblog/1176.html
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#173This article doesn't do good job describing the gory details. In AI/ML research, this is so unpleasantly prominent that its nauseating. How does workshop speakers at top conferences gets selected? How does keynote speakers get selected? Whoes workshop proposals goes through? Who gets to be area chair? Why are there 18 people listed as authors when almost 100% of work was done by one student? I call it favor economy .…
Putting people on the author list who made no contributions to the paper is known as academic fraud. I am surprised this is allowed.
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#174Doesn't this apply to almost any large bureaucratic organization or system?
On the other hand, I've recently worked in "machine learning" teams led by academic snake oil salesmen who publish lots of papers in ML journals and have fancy PhDs. They often regard coding and technical delivery as "grunt work" and do nothing but play corrupt politics, delivering little value. I have a hard time believing the fact that they came from academia has nothing to do with that, although I guess it may be similarly bad under other non-technical leadership and impostors.
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> I think one advantage of computers is that what you produce at the end has to work No that's not true, that something works is beginner level stuff in many cases. In some cases you're right though, because what has been asked is a super tough problem to crack. I'll showcase the moments in which the "it has to work" requirement is not enough. To show this example, I already have to break 2 conventions that are a no…
A question: is really fifth the best ? Seeing FIVE=5 always irks me, as it's an extra indirection for nothing. What do I gain with it ? The ability to change it to FIVE=6 ? OUTPUT=5 maybe but then console.log(OUTPUT) gains you nothing. Maybe NB_LEGS=5 and console.log(NB_LEGS)
You can always screw around with code, redefining code blocks in C would be fun to do.
But I did have situations where FIVE = 5 changed to FIVE = "five" or FIVE = "5" or FIVE = "vijf" (Dutch) or FIVE = "....." (ok, the last one is hypothetical, but maybe you want five points because you tick them off in a for-loop? I've seen something clever-ish like that in a particular fun Fizz Buzz example).
The layer indirection is indeed a classical trade-off that you do or do not want to make.
Regardless of that, your question proves the point I want to make to kbos87.
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#176It's not clear what technical content this post has. A cubic polynomial vs time would be a terrible idea, but the dashed and/or dotted red line (that people seem upset about) is obviously not a cubic polynomial vs time. At that point I run out of guesses about exactly what's being said by anybody.
I think there's actually two things going on here. There's what this post is talking about, which is a general lack of understanding of statistics, which is likely true and correct, and likely for both reasons that are explored here. Then there's the reason to actually even talk about this specific instance, which is that there is a complete lack of operating on the assumption of good faith and clarifying intent befo…
This is basically what all politics is. People projecting thoughts (or lack thereof) in bad faith on each other. Though it does seem that the fraction of society sucked into this toxic discourse has grown to cover practically everything lately (in the US anyway).
But also the outrage machine of Twitter etc is obviously biased toward the extreme views and outliers. Where 99/100 people might say 'meh, another failure to predict the future like most', the remaining 1/100 blows his top and gets the attention.
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One of them speak the fact though, and things that are facts tend to draw in scientific consensus sooner or later. Like climate change, but people chose to not to listen to the scientific consensus anyways. p.s. The fact being that comparing training accuracy to prediction accuracy is something that is simply unsound. You can have hundreds of ways to spin a statistic that is backed by academic research, and comparing…
> things that are facts tend to draw in scientific consensus sooner or later. Science doesn't work by consensus. Science works by having a track record of accurate predictions. So when you see people talking about "scientific consensus", that should immediately be a red flag. Valid science doesn't talk about "consensus" at all; it just points at the predictive track record--which requires not just "facts" but a serie…
Human beings are at the very best arrogant and fallible by nature, incapable of truth. When you want to improve your model of the world by including some heretofore unknown to you concept,fact, or set of facts you can opt to learn everything from the ground up in order to develop a deep understanding of the topic or accept or slot in some preexisting truths and models as described by others that you presume to be true.
This presumption of correctness is typically based on their standing with yours or preferably with their own peers combined with your assessment of them based on how well their statements comport with things you know or at least believe to be true. This is typical because the world is incredibly complex and our time here is finite.
Even smart skilled people have to lean on option two a lot outside of their particular area of expertise. When intelligent people do this they ask themselves whose views do people skilled in a particular area think are worth listening to or what on average do people skilled in this area say about something. This is what is meant by scientific consensus. Unintelligent people ask themselves what do my fellow unskilled peers think about this or what do I already think is true and are their any experts who confirm what I already want/believe to be true.
When people say that the scientific consensus is that cigarettes cause cancer they mean I haven't fully examined the complexity of the human lung and the effects of carcinogens on same but I accept the fact that many experts have done so and are telling me that If I keep smoking I'm more likely to die of cancer. This is converse to the person who also doesn't have time to understand how lungs work who eagerly looks for someone with credentials who says its OK if I keep smoking.
People talk about scientific consensus precisely because in a broad population of users you can find at least one party with any given credential willing to espouse any given stupid thing for money or for kicks. It's especially useful if you can get someone who actually IS smart and therefore respected in one area to believe he knows something about a field totally outside his area of expertise and lend existing cred to a stupid idea that an actual expert would dismiss. This strategy is very commonly on display in the discussion about climate change for example.
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> The true opposite would be "industry has to fend for itself without being able to co-opt government to tilt the playing field in its favor". Sure, good point. However I don't think it's possible or desirable to let industry be completely independent of the state. It seems to me that would lead us right back to our current predicament - power would concentrate and it would start putting pressure on the state.
> power would concentrate and it would start putting pressure on the state The state itself is a concentration of power. Industry wants to co-opt it for that very reason.
Ideally though, all concentrations of power should be dismantled.
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This is one reason I believe computer science should be thought in school just like mathematics. The experience is very humbling, you've got all this logic, all the rationale, to you, it must work, but the computer knows it doesn't make any sense. I've learned that most problems are easily dismissed by people as being "easy", "simple", just do this, just do that. I've found software forces you to really think through…
> Here's an example, my friend always tells me he thinks we shouldn't take anymore refugees. [...] That's surface level thinking to me. How do you do that? [...] What do you do? It’s funny you take this example because your point of view is precisely surface thinking too. I bet you don’t have any concrete plan to fund housing, education, healthcare for those people, nor you have one for them to become productive memb…
I don't know about Japan, but Australia allows in large numbers of immigrants.
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I don't think it's true that computers are great at exposing this. Software ranges from the concrete (does this button do anything) to the abstract (does this statistical program have an off by one error that's invisible to customers other than returning somewhat wrong results?). I think there's two competing definitions of 'work' in software - 'it works' as in 'allows for use' which can compete with the 'implements…
I don't buy your arguments - at all. At the end of the day people have strong expectation about what software should do. If it doesn't do that, they will quickly notice. If they don't notice (now or in the future) things like your "off by one" errors, then that requirement wasn't likely that important to begin with. Now, I've seen plenty of "demo-ware" software that has been presented as something that was much more…
Input lag on devices has doubled or tripled from the 1980s while clock speeds have increased drastically. Reddit and Hackernews do essentially the same task, yet Hackernews' load times are almost instant while Reddit takes more than a second to load at times.
It's true that you can't fake a minimum viable product, but it seems to me there is a long way from that to actually making something good.