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Under AI’s Watchful Eye, China Wants to Raise Smarter Students (2019) [video]

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Because micromanaging people is how you get more Feynmans and Shannons. Bengio, Hinton, and Lecun were pariahs for decades, until all of the sudden they were rock stars. I feel so bad for the 1.3bn people living under this. If we're not careful its going to keep creeping into the West and creativity will suffer. Edit: removed profanity

Ever heard of Agile?

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#22

Everyone's focusing on the pressure this adds but that seems largely due to cultural factors. Of course students feel more pressured if the data is primarily used to criticize them. But what about evaluating the teachers ability to keep students focused on a task? Or evaluating if a new medication is making a difference for a student with ADHD? As a side note, it seems like lazy journalism to not seek out more commen…

> If the research is being done in China and the tech is bespoke to the research program in China

The headbands are produced and donated to a Chinese school by an American company! The people protested and the authorities told the school to stop using them.

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post #22

Everyone's focusing on the pressure this adds but that seems largely due to cultural factors. Of course students feel more pressured if the data is primarily used to criticize them. But what about evaluating the teachers ability to keep students focused on a task? Or evaluating if a new medication is making a difference for a student with ADHD? As a side note, it seems like lazy journalism to not seek out more commen…

> If the research is being done in China and the tech is bespoke to the research program in China The headbands are produced and donated to a Chinese school by an American company! The people protested and the authorities told the school to stop using them.

The headbands were handled via a partnership with Zhejiang Brainco Technology Co Ltd. so donation is far from the right word to use. One of their partner's cofounders is also a Harvard PhD holder so it's hardly a case of the Chinese company just being there to take up space as is often claimed around here. This is a donation in the same way that lots of large American companies are Irish. And the objections from parents as well as the government's cited reason for the shutdown were on data privacy grounds according to multiple articles which is a valid criticism but unrelated to the actual usefulness of the devices. So I'm not sure what you're actually driving at here.

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#25
I wonder if there will be some sort of feedback where they discover the conditions under which kids ACTUALLY learn and thrive.

Like they figure out the successful ones slept in every day, had sex early, went to parties and drank from time to time.

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#26

The primarly role if these headbands since more like conditioning to me than to actually read brainwaves. You condition them as kids to respond to these headbands, then sooner or later companies will require them for workers.

Yeah, the headbands appear similar to Scientology's "E-meter", which is a fake tech device used to control the victims.

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#27

Because micromanaging people is how you get more Feynmans and Shannons. Bengio, Hinton, and Lecun were pariahs for decades, until all of the sudden they were rock stars. I feel so bad for the 1.3bn people living under this. If we're not careful its going to keep creeping into the West and creativity will suffer. Edit: removed profanity

>Bengio, Hinton, and Lecun were pariahs for decades

But not as much as Schmidhuber.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the research is being done in China and the tech is bespoke to the research program in China The headbands are produced and donated to a Chinese school by an American company! The people protested and the authorities told the school to stop using them.

The headbands were handled via a partnership with Zhejiang Brainco Technology Co Ltd. so donation is far from the right word to use. One of their partner's cofounders is also a Harvard PhD holder so it's hardly a case of the Chinese company just being there to take up space as is often claimed around here. This is a donation in the same way that lots of large American companies are Irish. And the objections from pare…

> The headbands were handled via a partnership with Zhejiang Brainco Technology Co Ltd

Which I guess is a subsidiary of the US-based company BrainCo located in Massachusetts. The article describes the provisioning of the headbands as a donation, which I guess makes sense if you're a startup and you want to test a pilot program in a market that might be receptive to your product.

The fact that Chinese parents protest on social media and with the authorities (on ethical grounds, it appears from the Quartz article) and the authorities banned the device on privacy concerns, sounds a lot like what would happen in the West.

As an aside, every time I read an article about the Chinese society I discover a much more nuanced picture than "it's a dictatorship with no free press and human rights". It's not a democracy for sure, but the idea it's a totalitarian state where all dissent is banned seems very far from the truth.

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post #25

I wonder if there will be some sort of feedback where they discover the conditions under which kids ACTUALLY learn and thrive. Like they figure out the successful ones slept in every day, had sex early, went to parties and drank from time to time.

On the other hand, all school teachers pay attention to check that their students are focusing. They use neural networks for that (their own neural networks) that are very well trained in detecting lack of focus from body movements, facial expressions, chatter, etc. A device that actually allows more easily to detect focus is scary if it's used improperly, that is, if focus is required all the time. But if used in a balanced way allowing for prolonged periods of relax and "mind wandering" it might actually be helpful.
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