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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by cryptonector »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #170
billme wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All national security has a cost, access to TSMC is obviously national security issue, and appears US is positioning itself to reduce the cost of access to TSMC and increase it for China. National security is an ends, not a means; its ultimate form is shapelessness, not a strict definition.

I'll ask again, is there any example of international trade dispute/conflict that would not be about 'national security' with this understanding? Can you give one? Or does this intentionally and consciously reconceptualize all attempts to get advantage in international trade, or a business advantage for domestic corporations over foreign ones, as 'national security'?

There is not. In more peaceful times smaller trade disputes can be seen as having no national security relevance. But otherwise international trade absolutely is of relevance to national security. And that's as true for perennial exporters as for perennial importers.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by cryptonector »

ilaksh wrote: post #57

What is it that is actually preventing this from escalating to a hot war? It feels like we are just waiting for China to manufacture enough warships and nukes or killer drones or AGI with spiking neural networks or whatever can give them an edge so that a real war can start. It's even a war in the comments section. I don't think it's safe. How do we really know it can't progress to some kind of overt military activit…

It takes two (or more) to have a war, but only one to start it. One party may not have a choice at all. I leave it to you to decide "who started it".

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by onemoresoop »

pinkfoot wrote: post #161
onemoresoop wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making contributions doesn’t cancel stealing secrets. We all know most of the chinese technology was IP stolen and improved upon. Lets take for example Solowheel. Do you know the story behind it?

Have you ever stopped to ponder why Ford, GM, and Chrysler's four-stroke motors look ever so much like the one the Germans Nicolaus Otto, Gottlieb Daimler, and Wilhelm Maybach invented?

Because a lot of german technology was force-exported to the US and USSR after Germany lost the WWII. What are you implying here regarding China’s IP theft? Did they win a war Im not aware of?

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by DarthGhandi »

DarthGhandi wrote: post #122
jtdev wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you not considered that China made an exerted effort to withhold information about COVID19 from the world... How is that not an act of aggression? Hundreds of thousands dead... Golden Arches Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree

There's evidence it was in Europe long before it was ever noticed in China. Was France and Italy covering it up to harm the planet? There was an irregularly high number of pneumonia deaths in Italy oct/nov 2019 and yet you won't see allegations of a a conspiracy because it's an absurd assumption given him much self inflicted harm it caused. Going down the cover up and "act of aggression" rabbithole, the whole world k…

As usual, no one responds, just tries to grey it out.

For those whose minds aren't so already made up, here's a virologist doing a Q&A debunking all your conspiracy theories about where it came from and its origins.

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gk6y95/covid19_did...

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by cryptonector »

theredbox wrote: post #107

As someone who is not an american nor a chinese nor from a big European nation this is all frightening to watch. It's an invisible war of nations and we dont really have a clue about allegiances nor what is right or wrong. Sure as a european I feel more connected to the US but at the same time I feel very much excluded from that larger sphere protection and benefits. The US needs a framework for smaller nations where…

Between the end of WWII and now, Western Europe, and now Eastern as well, have enjoyed American defense and economic benefits. Europe almost as a monolithic whole has been fixated on a different economic model than the American model, but that's its own choice -- the U.S. did not impose its model on Europe.

> The US needs a framework for smaller nations where we can build better relations.

What could that be? We've had the U.N., NATO, the WTO, and what not.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by MayeulC »

MayeulC wrote: post #136
evancox100 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, free/open-source semiconductor design software and equipment is non-existent, especially for modern nodes.

Well, that's definitely not the case, a lot of labs are on this (including Berkley's hammer/chisel [1]). I've seen some tools presented at RISC-V conferences, but the major closed-source component nowadays is the PDK, I'm afraid. Hopefully, inkjet-printed transistors or some other fabless technology will make open source ICs a lot more feasible. One of the major issue is costs, when you look at more than 40k/mm² for…

Just something I didn't make clear in the above comment: I expect that Hardware-description-language-to-layout pipelines will improve a lot in the upcoming years, so if a process becomes viable for open hardware, projects that were developed on an FPGA (here is a wi-fi chip, for instance: https://github.com/open-sdr/openwifi) might be transferable with a lot less effort than doing everything from scratch.

I would also like to point out that these tools will likely help us juice up a bit more performance from the existing processes, but we aren't really likely to see a lot more of Moore's scaling, going forward. So the door is open to new processes, that may or may not be open hardware-friendly. And current, top-end processes might also become cheaper over time. While I doubt a lot of new foundries will catch up with the end of Moore's scale, it might actually become easier to get there, while disruptive technologies get some time to play catch-up. Together with innovative synthesis tools.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by boomboomsubban »

DarthGhandi wrote: post #194
DarthGhandi wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's evidence it was in Europe long before it was ever noticed in China. Was France and Italy covering it up to harm the planet? There was an irregularly high number of pneumonia deaths in Italy oct/nov 2019 and yet you won't see allegations of a a conspiracy because it's an absurd assumption given him much self inflicted harm it caused. Going down the cover up and "act of aggression" rabbithole, the whole world k…

As usual, no one responds, just tries to grey it out. For those whose minds aren't so already made up, here's a virologist doing a Q&A debunking all your conspiracy theories about where it came from and its origins. https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gk6y95/covid19_did...

Your posts give the impression that you are supporting the Europe origin conspiracy, though I don't think that is the case. That and the double post is probably the issue.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by simonblack »

Very dumb move by the US.

In business, there is the perennial question of "Do I "buy built" thus taking advantage of economies of scale within the supplier while at the same time making myself dependent on the good intentions of that supplier? Or do I "go to the cost and effort and time wasted in making it myself", which means I don't get dependent on that supplier, puts me behind for a year or two, and then possibly may be able to take away his business and keep it for myself in the future?

Most administrators find it's better overall to "buy built". But if forced to, they will "roll their own".

If Huawei starts making its own semiconductors, the US can wave goodbye to its own semiconductor companies like Intel, AMD, Radeon and Nvidia. Just like GM, Ford and Chrysler are there in name only today- when once they made over 50% of the entire world's cars back in the 1960s.

In the words of that famous hair product: "It may not happen overnight, but it will happen!"

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by ethbro »

bilbo0s wrote: post #186
ethbro wrote: post #158

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At least in a democracy with a free press, you (the average person) can try to start a news frenzy and bug your elected government representatives to apply pressure on your behalf.

You have no elected officials. That's the point. You are an American being held for geopolitical reasons in China, or you are a Chinese citizen being held for geopolitical reasons in the US. There is no elected official representing you to which you can appeal. You're just screwed. Again, unless you are an elite and people will pull strings for you. But most of us here are not elites, we're too far down the chain. No…

Last I checked, every American has an elected official. (Non-voting in the case of territories)

Has something changed?

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by bilbo0s »

ethbro wrote: post #199
bilbo0s wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no elected officials. That's the point. You are an American being held for geopolitical reasons in China, or you are a Chinese citizen being held for geopolitical reasons in the US. There is no elected official representing you to which you can appeal. You're just screwed. Again, unless you are an elite and people will pull strings for you. But most of us here are not elites, we're too far down the chain. No…

Last I checked, every American has an elected official. (Non-voting in the case of territories) Has something changed?

Yeah, they would have been arrested in China, where their elected official means exactly dick. The whole reason China arrested a patsy is to provoke the US. So how exactly is senator useless gonna get him out of jail? The entire reason the Chinese arrested him, was to anger senator useless and american media. Were it not for senator useless, the american wouldn't be sitting in a Chinese prison in the first place. Were it not for Chinese party member dickmouth, the Chinese guy would not be sitting in an american prison. The government officials are the problem, they're definitely not going rush right out to get a regular worker out of prison. At least not until they finish their argument over who has the best hair or whatever.

Putting faith in the government officials is just a bit naive I think.

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