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Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Ron Paul is also quite consistent. He's done a good job of keeping the Trump side of the Republican party happy with him through his words while still being the Republican senator who votes against Trump the most.

Surely you mean Rand Paul.

I do

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Once again the lack of media coverage on this is appalling. Rand Paul has introduced an amendment that goes up for vote tomorrow that would disallow this surveillance on American citizens, which of course is not expected to pass. McConnell is drafting language to prevent this from being used on “federal election candidates” which of course is expected to pass.

> McConnell is drafting language to prevent this from being used on “federal election candidates” which of course is expected to pass. So privacy for those in positions of power but not for us plebes.

I'm getting the same vibe from EARN IT, no military grade encryption for us civvies.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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I think it’s fairly well understood that it’s more or less a rubber stamp process[0] I’d wager a phone call or email is likely all that was needed in many cases. By “no one” I mean some sort of counter-balancing entity. I’m not sure why you think I’m acting like this didn’t exist under multiple administrations. I’m aware of that, and not OK with any of it. I was not OK with original passing of the patriot act, or the…

Third parties being able to submit amicus curiaes seem like a counter-balancing entity—dependent on which way they argue.

The Lee-Leahy amendment passed the Senate. Not sure how someone can say there is no counter-balancing entity with regard to FISA courts.

From Senator Mike Lee's webpage[0]:

The Lee-Leahy amendment will strengthen third-party oversight of the FISA process. Specifically, it requires FISA court judges to appoint an amicus curae (a neutral third-party observer) in any case involving a “sensitive investigative matter” so long as the FISA court does not determine it to be inappropriate.

The amendment will also empower the amicus to raise any issue with the court at any time and give both the amicus and the FISA court access to all documents and information related to the surveillance application.

0: https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2020/5/senate-pa...

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Once again the lack of media coverage on this is appalling. Rand Paul has introduced an amendment that goes up for vote tomorrow that would disallow this surveillance on American citizens, which of course is not expected to pass. McConnell is drafting language to prevent this from being used on “federal election candidates” which of course is expected to pass.

> McConnell is drafting language to prevent this from being used on “federal election candidates” which of course is expected to pass. So privacy for those in positions of power but not for us plebes.

“(G) if the target of the electronic surveillance is an elected Federal official or a candidate in a Federal election, that the Attorney General has approved in writing of the investigation;“

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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The Privacy Party is born.

All Aboard the Pirate Ship! [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Pirate_Party

To be fair the Pirate Party is very pro privacy for seemingly obvious reasons.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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This has a very Slack vibe to it that I can dig.

No love for the Church of the SubGenious?

I gave you an upvote in the previous comment because I knew what you were talking about mainly due to Slackware's reference to Church of SubGenious. I don't think many know what that is though.

For those curious:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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This is just backwards. People in power should always have to justify their actions to us. Always. They should always be questioned. This (in theory) is how we ensure their power isn’t abused. We should have privacy while they do not. A lack of privacy should be a cost to the power they’re entrusted with. If it’s legal for them to sift through our lives while they refuse to be questioned, and they act insulted that w…

"People should not be afraid of their governments; governments should be afraid of their people." 100% agree that the tradeoff of power should be a loss of privacy.

It’s important to stress: They should happily answer with accurate and honest data when asked.

We have hit a wall where our leaders react with vitriol when asked what they’re doing; mcconnell’s pushing for an exemption for those in power, pushing for them to have privacy while actively voting laws into place which drastically reduce ours should concern every single one of us–at least as much as Snowden’s docs revealed to us.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Just use ~3 VPNs in a nested chain. So an adversary would need data from all three. Better yet, have the middle one be in a jurisdiction that doesn't cooperate with your adversary's.

You've invented Tor. Although Tor is better, because the connection reroutes dynamically. And worse, because anyone can volunteer to be an entrypoint or endpoint - this matters because a very well-resourced adversary could conceivably control both your entrypoint and your endpoint, and use a timing correlation attack to de-anonymize you. But I don't know that nested VPNs are immune to that either, given the level of…

No, I've copied Tor :)

And re dynamic circuits, I did a crude hack: https://github.com/mirimir/vpnchains

I only use Tor via nested VPN chains. The VPNs mainly provide backup anonymity, in case Tor circuits are compromised. And they also anonymize me vs Tor use, which may avoid attention.

When I don't care so much about anonymity, I just use nested VPN chains. Throughput is 5-10 times that for Tor, latency is lower, and I'm not limited to TCP.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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> I can understand why a system built on a pattern must try to destroy the free mind, for this is one thing which can by inspection destroy such a system. Surely I can understand this, and I hate it and I will fight against it to preserve the one thing that separates us from the uncreative beasts. If the glory can be killed, we are lost.

~ John Steinbeck

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Well in that case, I would be OK since the VPN I use (ProtonVPN) doesn't keep any logs.

most VPN will tell you they don't keep log, which is probably not true

Why would they? There is 0 incentive and are not legally required to from Switzerland law.
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