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Re: Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing history fails

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Post by _8j50 » Fri, May 15, 2020, 5:47 AM UTC

dontbenebby wrote: post #114

_8j50 wrote: post #3

Actual terrorists(like 9/11 type, well funded) know better than to even touch anything digital for comms. They literally get a drone strike for having called a known terrorist or for going to a wedding other terrorists with cell phones go to. For home grown terrorism, how many school shootings happen when the people who know the shooter literally tell police/fbi beforehand about the state of the shooter. Are school s…

>Actual terrorists(like 9/11 type, well funded) know better than to even touch anything digital for comms Then why is terrorist content discussed so much in content moderation circles, specifically the fact that content moderators are viewing it so often it induces PTSD in them? ISIS has put out high definition videos of executions. That's the opposite of "not touching digital comms" https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1…

You're conflating propaganda and recruitment with organization,coordination and communication.

How long did bin laden evade capture? 20-30 years? And did they catch him because he used the internet?

Re: Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing history fails

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Post by zdragnar » Fri, May 15, 2020, 2:54 PM UTC

_8j50 wrote: post #175

zdragnar wrote: post #145

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> inductive reasoning is still a validate tool for understanding the world. And here it has led you astray. Terrorist organisations have propaganda mouthpieces, and use social media like any other. One of my previous jobs involved building network analysis tools to identify and locate terrorists combing through their Twitter feeds. For some, you could easily identify the point in their lives when they were radicalize…

You are talking about the past when they were radicalized,if this happened online then you are right but I thought it was clear that I meant internet usage for organizing and planning terrorism. Propaganda and radicalization is a dragnet, you will catch many but the one cell that recruits in person and communicates on paper only by code will succeed. It's not a volume game,it's a binary game.

No single method of intelligence gathering will win a binary game, that is just moving goal posts.

Re: Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing history fails

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Post by varjag » Fri, May 15, 2020, 6:49 PM UTC

Floegipoky wrote: post #155

varjag wrote: post #129

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It failed by one vote. If he did his damn job and showed up it could turn out different.

As somebody else explained, if he had showed up to vote against it the amendment almost certainly would have still failed by 1 vote. The party whips would have just required one of the other "no"s to switch. The reality is that party leadership controls exactly what gets voted on and when, and to a large extent predetermines who is allowed to vote yes and no. The rest is just theater.

I must be obtuse, but if it's all a theatre what's the point of him being a senator then?

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Post by selimthegrim » Tue, May 19, 2020, 8:51 PM UTC

linuxftw wrote: post #169

salawat wrote: post #168

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Didn't say anything about definitions. I'm speaking in a descriptive sense of the "way-of-life" that the word has become a nominative signpost for. That frequently differs from the strict dictionary definition; and those that stick strictly to the dictionary are not the vast majority of the populace. It doesn't make them 'wrong' either. Language flows like a river; and at best one can end up in the same spot one came…

If you attack civilians for the purpose of creating fear or political change, it's terrorism. > Sherman's March to the Sea I'm well aware of this, but try to find a mainstream source that articulates his crimes and they are few and far between.

Sherman was very open about how he intended to treat the South for a long time before -

https://pando.com/2014/11/20/the-war-nerd-why-sherman-was-ri...

https://books.google.com/books?id=FkD26KVW6LQC&pg=PA337&lpg=...