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Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by solstice »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #281
riffraff wrote: post #268

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what about submarines? It seems likely one of the first moves the US could do is disrupt china's economy by simply blocking their sea routes.

The question is, who would that harm more? March 2020 has shown us that disrupting sea routes between two continents hurts everyone .

Right now you are right. But I suspect that a lot of governments are furiously at work right now to figure out to turn back globalization a bit to lower their dependence on products being manufactured far away. So I think that the equation will change to some degree and that in turn lower interdependence of countries and therefore possibly the threshold for conflicts...

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Post by solstice »

101404 wrote: post #317
fermienrico wrote: post #179

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China marching into Taiwan would be a losing move. Never mind the civil unrest, the entire world would bail out of China. Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand + India would be even more alerted than they are right now with HK situation. The narrative in these countries is quickly evolving. CCP is over playing their hand by engaging in asymetrical trade.

China is 1.4 billion people. That's more people than the western world combined. Once China has "acquired" the technology, it doesn't need an export market anymore for economies of scale. China's internal market is more than large enough for that. Just a detail to keep in mind.

That's a bit too simple. People in inland provinces such as gansu or guizhou have much -much- lower purchasing power. I encourage you to have a look at a map of China with GDP numbers and then compare them to the US, Germany or Japan...

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Post by bsd44 »

_fq4v wrote: post #189
fermienrico wrote: post #179

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China marching into Taiwan would be a losing move. Never mind the civil unrest, the entire world would bail out of China. Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand + India would be even more alerted than they are right now with HK situation. The narrative in these countries is quickly evolving. CCP is over playing their hand by engaging in asymetrical trade.

> Never mind the civil unrest, the entire world would bail out of China. That is not clear.. at all. Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand -- the non-US western allies -- have all known exactly what China's end goal is and have down jack diddly squat to put pressure on them. The only thing preventing China from taking out Taiwan is the United States. Europe and the rest of the world is too cowardly to even do anythi…

You probably mean EU, not Europe. Europe is a continent.

EU is not an ally of the US, but rather an American tool operated through Germany and the UK. This has nothing to do with being "cowardly". We people don't consider ourselves the policemen of the world and don't support invading foreign countries, destroying their economies and killing their women and children for financial gains; therefore we will never be allies. What you are referring to is the Brussels, which is far away from the people as it can be.

You are the Empire, not us so if you want to go to war with China or anyone else for that matter please go ahead, just leave us out of it.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

101404 wrote: post #324
boomboomsubban wrote: post #315

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They've waited seventy years for the right president. How many more decades will they wait and how will they react when they discover the military can probably force any president's hand?

No, they didn't wait for the right president. The past 40 years, they developed economically and technologically. It is only since Xi became president, that China feels confident to have a more assertive foreign policy.

>It is only since Xi became president, that China feels confident to have a more assertive foreign policy.

How so? There hasn't been a sharp rise in military spending, they haven't invaded anywhere, and they've largely maintained their same course on most of the disputed territories.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by Denvercoder9 »

Excuse the naive question, but what technology does a fab bring to the table? As I understand it, TSMC buys most (all?) of their equipment from ASML (or a competitor), and the chip design is done and owned by their customers. What's left, aside from a giant cleanroom and some specialized operators?

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Post by jdhn »

posix_me_less wrote: post #302
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #240

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It's definitely true for Europe being absolutely spineless when push comes to shove. The EU couldn't even put pressure on Erdogan let alone on Xi. China has been buying influence here for years, especially through the poorer countries that were alienated by the strict austerity measures imposed by the bigger powers. The nature of the EU politics where a single country has the power to veto the rest is a massive looph…

Is that being spineless or unorganized and powerless?

Why not both?

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Post by fuoqi »

baybal2 wrote: post #321
audunw wrote: post #301

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Another aspect of Russia taking crimea is that the people living there to a large extent welcomed it. There are some that are pro-unification in Taiwan, but it's a minority. Most people are pro status quo, and the number that are for declaring independence is growing. The ruling party is very pro-independence (ideologically speaking, in practice they have to move slowly and maintain status quo to some degree), meanin…

> Another aspect of Russia taking crimea is that the people living there to a large extent welcomed it. Man, are saying this in your right mind? Where do you read this stuff? People there abandoned their property, and ran! This is what they did. Nobody openly welcomed it in their sane minds, besides few thousands elderly ex-party members, and alt-right weirdos. The fact that I hear sentiments like this in the West is…

I have visited Crimea last year as a tourist and talked with Crimeans personally (in Massandra and Alushta). Where do you get your information? In my experience people are mostly happy with the Russian rule and with changes it brings (simply compare investments before 2014 and after). Of course, those who work in IT, have to virtually reallocate via VPNs to circumvent western sanctions, but they don't blame Russia for that (and VPN is a must-have either way for tech savy due to the Roskompozor). One common complaint was somewhat higher prices, but situation got a bit better after the Crimean bridge got put into operation. Also another complaint which I heard is that new government is much stricter about tax collection and preventing illegal business. Yes, Crimean Tatars a bit less happy with the Russian rule on average compared to ethnic Russians, but I think it mostly can be attributed to the lost profits from illegal businesses, significant amount of which was traditionally operated by tatars (see the issue of illegal construction). But it's important to note that they got much more freedom in respect of cultural autonomy than they had in Ukraine (their language is now official republican language on par with Russian and Ukranian). Only after Ukraine lost Crimea they have started to talk about an autonomy for Tatars, which is quite pathetic in my opinion.

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Post by yoz-y »

vincnetas wrote: post #323
audunw wrote: post #301

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Another aspect of Russia taking crimea is that the people living there to a large extent welcomed it. There are some that are pro-unification in Taiwan, but it's a minority. Most people are pro status quo, and the number that are for declaring independence is growing. The ruling party is very pro-independence (ideologically speaking, in practice they have to move slowly and maintain status quo to some degree), meanin…

"Another aspect of Russia taking crimea is that the people living there to a large extent welcomed it" Because those who have not welcomed Russians have disappeared. Random link from google search: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/12/disappear...

Severe repression for some and a welcoming majority are not mutually exclusive. This is why politics are complicated, especially in regions that were passed around for decades or centuries and have very mixed population.

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Post by fuoqi »

vincnetas wrote: post #323
audunw wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another aspect of Russia taking crimea is that the people living there to a large extent welcomed it. There are some that are pro-unification in Taiwan, but it's a minority. Most people are pro status quo, and the number that are for declaring independence is growing. The ruling party is very pro-independence (ideologically speaking, in practice they have to move slowly and maintain status quo to some degree), meanin…

"Another aspect of Russia taking crimea is that the people living there to a large extent welcomed it" Because those who have not welcomed Russians have disappeared. Random link from google search: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/12/disappear...

So if more than 50% of population haven't welcomed Russians, then Crimea now has twice less population, right?

It's very easy to attribute such disappearances to the evil KGB to promote political agenda, while there are far more probable explanations. It brings to mind the "Heavenly Hundred", a significant number of those people haven't even died on Maidan, but to promote the political agenda they have been promoted to national heroes, even though their "heroism" is dubious at best.

I've personally met with people in Crimea who kept Ukranian citizenship and I haven't heard about any significant oppression from them. If you don't trust me, just read this article: https://tsn.ua/ukrayina/zhiteli-aneksovanogo-sevastopolya-pr...

Have the evil KGB killed and tortured those people? No, they have been simply ignored.

Now compare it with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atm0W5wA2y4

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