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New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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> As yet, none of the big players appears to have lost significant business to the free software movement in Germany. But it seems likely that commercial vendors will have a tougher time here in the near future.

Free software and open source doesn't mean non-commercial. SUSE in Germany provides commercial support to their distro for example. Such a weird article, zdnet doesn't getting any better...

Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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There is another interesting section in the document[1]. The city introduces the "Munich Open Source Sabatical". The city will pay professional programmers for 3 till 6 months to work on open source projects that benefit the community.

> Die Stadt München unterstützt die Entwicklung von Open Source-Projekten mit einem "Munich Open Source Sabbatical". Professionelle Programmierer*innen, die sich für drei oder sechs Monate ganz auf die Fortentwicklung eines Open Source-Projektes kon-zentrieren möchten, können sich dafür auf ein städtisches bezahltes Stipendium bewerben. Die Projekte müssen einen kommunalen Nutzen haben.

[1]: https://www.gruene-muenchen.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Dr...

Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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I can't imagine any US party echoing the FSF's statement, even if just in a statement of political intent. It's impressive that the movement has enough public interest to make platitudes worthwhile in Germany.

The FOSS movement in Germany always seemed to me a tiny bit more mainstream than the one in the US. Tech publications report more on Linux happenings (as opposed to the sometimes intense Apple focus of US tech publications).

Linux also has more market share in Germany than any other western country, I think.

Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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post #6

This is a bluff that almost every government and municipality with huge contracts with MS does whenever they come up for renewal as part of their negotiations, nobody in MS is impressed. In other news: 2020 is not the year of the linux desktop.

They're already on Linux currently. A government change and Microsoft Germany moving their HQ to Munich made them reconsider. Now the government changed again. The actual migration to Linux went mostly fine and was largely a success as far as government software programs go, FWIW.

From my personal experience most times the hardest part is to convince the users. You can throw a lot of resources at the migration, money, good technical experts, and get it done right. But making the regular users happy? That's a whole different subject. Truth is most users still run Windows at home and are familiar with it. Getting used to something else will meet some resistance. Then you have the minor compatibility issues especially in a people facing institution.

To this day eventually this attrition pushes many back to the more compatible and familiar solution.

I've seen (usually very small) companies going to Linux and other FOSS solutions without actually understanding this beyond "they're free". Migration went great. Later on I came back to do the migration the other way around once they faced that attrition and realized that support costs were dwarfing the license cost.

Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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post #5

This is a bluff that almost every government and municipality with huge contracts with MS does whenever they come up for renewal as part of their negotiations, nobody in MS is impressed. In other news: 2020 is not the year of the linux desktop.

Do you assume it's bluff or is there more behind that statement? I understand that it has been in the news that MS spent a lot of energy on preventing people from moving away from Windows, and I think I remember steep discounts but it has been a while since I read about it, but while the government could be going "haha let's put out another statement and get more discounts" I would say it's more likely that there are…

The statement is in the language of the agreement as reported: "Where it is technologically and financially possible, the city will put emphasis on open standards and free open-source licensed software,"

Which in practice binds absolutely no one to absolutely anything.

Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're already on Linux currently. A government change and Microsoft Germany moving their HQ to Munich made them reconsider. Now the government changed again. The actual migration to Linux went mostly fine and was largely a success as far as government software programs go, FWIW.

From my personal experience most times the hardest part is to convince the users. You can throw a lot of resources at the migration, money, good technical experts, and get it done right. But making the regular users happy? That's a whole different subject. Truth is most users still run Windows at home and are familiar with it. Getting used to something else will meet some resistance. Then you have the minor compatibi…

> From my personal experience most times the hardest part is to convince the users.

Former actual LiMux team member here, so I can speak from experience (almost a decade ago though). The hardest part was convince users to be happy on utterly inadequate and aged hardware. No, 1 GB of RAM won't cut it when you have to have Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice and some fucking Java crap open at the same time, and 1024x768 screens won't do so either.

Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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post #7

This is a bluff that almost every government and municipality with huge contracts with MS does whenever they come up for renewal as part of their negotiations, nobody in MS is impressed. In other news: 2020 is not the year of the linux desktop.

Pessimistically, I agree with you. But that lends the question; what does it take to end the Microsoft monopoly on our governments? It can’t just be open document standards. I think it goes further than that; into our schools maybe. I don’t have answers, but it’s a serious question I have.

Easy, just create a software ecosystem that is superior to or at least on-par with the commercial offerings (being open source is not by itself valuable for the users), then grow a generation of non-technical users into that ecosystem

Re: New Munich city government agrees to use open source software where possible

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post #7

This is a bluff that almost every government and municipality with huge contracts with MS does whenever they come up for renewal as part of their negotiations, nobody in MS is impressed. In other news: 2020 is not the year of the linux desktop.

Pessimistically, I agree with you. But that lends the question; what does it take to end the Microsoft monopoly on our governments? It can’t just be open document standards. I think it goes further than that; into our schools maybe. I don’t have answers, but it’s a serious question I have.

You could make it illegal to price discriminate on software sales. I.e, if you sell a piece of software at one unit price to someone, you are obliged to sell with that price to anyone who wants it.

Obviously that would disrupt quite a few existing business models in software industry, so do not take that as a completely serious proposal.

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