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Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by mschuster91 »

cm2187 wrote: post #242
pmachinery wrote: post #237

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What did the US do to prevent Russia "taking out" Crimea that the cowardly rest of the world didn't?

I am not saying it is obvious that the US would confront China militarily if it was to invade Taiwan. But Europe did let a friendly country at its immediate border get invaded and didn’t even stop buying the main resource the invader relies on (oil and gas). Let alone have any military involvement.

> and didn’t even stop buying the main resource the invader relies on (oil and gas)

The problem is that Europe depends on (cheap) Russian gas for heating.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by avhception »

londons_explore wrote: post #218
cm2187 wrote: post #193

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You are being downvoted but what happened with Crimea proves your point.

True, although Crimea was pretty much testcase-scale - not many people live there, and its economic value is pretty low. Taiwan is much much more populous, and has a much higher economic value.

Crimea has strategic value for the military though, the port of Sevastopol houses the Russian Black Sea fleet.

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Post by mschuster91 »

readarticle wrote: post #266
JAlexoid wrote: post #183

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Sound pointlessly nationalist. Because of all of my electronics being assembled in China, there have been millions of people that were pulled out of poverty.

Sounds pointlessly globalist. In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans?

> In and of itself, what value does raising the living standard of millions of poor Chinese provide to Americans?

Rising living standard means more consumers that can buy American goods, and it also means that the likelihood of civil war/uprisings due to poverty goes down, which in turn reduces the potential for wars.

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Post by evgen »

type-2 wrote: post #257
_fq4v wrote: post #189

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> Never mind the civil unrest, the entire world would bail out of China. That is not clear.. at all. Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand -- the non-US western allies -- have all known exactly what China's end goal is and have down jack diddly squat to put pressure on them. The only thing preventing China from taking out Taiwan is the United States. Europe and the rest of the world is too cowardly to even do anythi…

Russia took crimea without any issue. Do you really think anything will happen if china took taiwan by force? It's a matter of time before china takes taiwan.

As much as I like the Ukrainian people, no one cared about Crimea because it was of absolutely no strategic importance to anyone but Russia. Taiwan is critically important to the US. The US _will_ go to war to defend it, and China knows this.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by lorenzhs »

__alexs wrote: post #262
harpratap wrote: post #154

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Isn't Intel's fab always better than TSMC's? Intel 10nm competes with TSMC's 7nm

Intel have no 10nm parts so how would we know if it's better? TSMC are shipping millions of working 7nm parts today.

10nm Intel laptops have been on the market for at least six months now, for example in the XPS 13 2-in-1. The new MacBook Air and Pro 13 also ship with Intel 10nm CPUs. While Intel had a lot of trouble getting 10nm production to work and are still only shipping mobile chips, they are selling useful 10nm chips now.

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Post by ksec »

foepys wrote: post #261
deepnotderp wrote: post #258

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What are you talking about? ARM has overtaken x86 in volume I'm pretty sure, but certainly in edge type applications like coffee machines

Aren't coffee machines and other "dumb" appliances often MIPS? Even my internet router has a MIPS controller (Fritz!Box by AVM).

I think that was only true a few years ago. Everything now, from router, NAS to other appliance are moving towards ARM.

MIPS and PPC are still being used only because of cost ( vendors selling other chips ). The replacement cycles is very very slow, but the trend is pretty clear.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by hrktb »

cm2187 wrote: post #242
pmachinery wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did the US do to prevent Russia "taking out" Crimea that the cowardly rest of the world didn't?

I am not saying it is obvious that the US would confront China militarily if it was to invade Taiwan. But Europe did let a friendly country at its immediate border get invaded and didn’t even stop buying the main resource the invader relies on (oil and gas). Let alone have any military involvement.

The US didn't stop trading with Saudi Arabia even after proven involvement in 9/11/2001. It's all mildly complicated.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by bildung »

magicsmoke wrote: post #153
Lind5 wrote: post #64

Actually, this is true. The big question is what's going on behind the scenes. China has been busy building up its own supply chain after the U.S. closed off shipments of any U.S.-based R&D to Huawei last summer. It also has made statements that Taiwan is part of China since then, which has left the U.S. without an advanced-node fab. Intel is at least a node behind both Samsung and TSMC, and the U.S. has no trusted f…

As a bit more context, Huawei recently announced they'll be sending orders for 14nm chips to SMIC's new fab instead of TSMC. 14 nm is about 3 gens behind TSMC's 5nm and was starting to be produced back in 2013.

To add to that, the Kirin 710A that will get produced by SMIC will presumably be very similar to the Kirin 710 from 2018, produced by TSMC with its 16nm/12nm process, so performance-wise this will probably be the same chip but from a different foundry - in mainland China.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

threatofrain wrote: post #232
neilpanchal wrote: post #194

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Just broadcast the entire battle on the world stage and we shall watch the show. No human deaths, no civilian casualties, the whole battlefield would be completely remote controlled, streaming in a 128K VR extravaganza. I think the future of war sounds fun.

No way the future will only be robot vs robot in some sterile symbolic chess game. The endgame is robots getting past robots to kill people.

Indeed. A proxy robot war is just a very expensive game. And if you can settle your differences this way, you may as well do that in Quake 3 Arena for cheaper. And if you can settle your differences with Q3A, you may as well do that over the negotiating table. All of these depend on mutual cooperation; both parties agreeing to respect the outcome of the game.

Real war starts when one party is unhappy about the outcome and unilaterally decides to no longer cooperate.

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Post by akvadrako »

wtallis wrote: post #252
p1esk wrote: post #245

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What makes you think Intel is behind TSMC in terms of process technology?

Intel's 10nm process does finally exist in a shippable form, but it's not yet mature enough or high-volume enough to handle the entire breadth of their CPU product line. Intel launched new 14nm processors last month, 5.5 years after introducing their first 14nm processors. Meanwhile, TSMC's 7nm process has been shipping since Q3 2018, and their EUV-based N7+ process is now in mass production. There's no question that…

Although what you say is technically true, intel’s 10nm is more advanced than TSMCs 7nm — they aren’t using a shared scale. The biggest mistake intel made was probably being too ambitious.
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