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My New Old Apple IIe Computer

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Re: My New Old Apple IIe Computer

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> Some wizards at work told me that I probably cannot just plug this into a modern phone line and expect it to work, though. Is this true? I can't think of any immediate reason it would fail, but finding something to actually dial into seems like a harder problem.

Modern phone lines are usually VOIP somewhere, and if the codec sucks, it might not be good enough for a modem. OTOH, that's probably a pretty low bitrate modem, so it might work out ok.

If running your own VOIP gateway, g.711 codec is probably the most likely to work for running a modem, but I haven't tried it.

Re: My New Old Apple IIe Computer

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post #19

> Some wizards at work told me that I probably cannot just plug this into a modern phone line and expect it to work, though. Is this true? I can't think of any immediate reason it would fail, but finding something to actually dial into seems like a harder problem.

Pulse Vs tone?

Is that a thing or did my brain just make it up? :/

Re: My New Old Apple IIe Computer

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post #21
post #19

> Some wizards at work told me that I probably cannot just plug this into a modern phone line and expect it to work, though. Is this true? I can't think of any immediate reason it would fail, but finding something to actually dial into seems like a harder problem.

Modern phone lines are usually VOIP somewhere, and if the codec sucks, it might not be good enough for a modem. OTOH, that's probably a pretty low bitrate modem, so it might work out ok. If running your own VOIP gateway, g.711 codec is probably the most likely to work for running a modem, but I haven't tried it.

As well as the codec issue, the other problem is that the inconsistent timing of VoIP often upsets modems, especially at higher bitrates.

Re: My New Old Apple IIe Computer

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post #19

> Some wizards at work told me that I probably cannot just plug this into a modern phone line and expect it to work, though. Is this true? I can't think of any immediate reason it would fail, but finding something to actually dial into seems like a harder problem.

Pulse Vs tone? Is that a thing or did my brain just make it up? :/

My experience is that exchanges will still accept pulse dialing, but it's a while since I've had a landline to check

Re: My New Old Apple IIe Computer

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post #19

> Some wizards at work told me that I probably cannot just plug this into a modern phone line and expect it to work, though. Is this true? I can't think of any immediate reason it would fail, but finding something to actually dial into seems like a harder problem.

Doubtful, some quick googling seems to indicate that the micromodem iie is a 300bps modem (vs the micromodem II, for which the manual pops up right away). Even if its 1200 or 2400bps, its still likely way to slow to be affected by the codec issues/etc that others have pointed out. You have to remember people are still running fax and home security systems with modems in 2020, so the vast majority of VOIP codecs handle that just fine.

About 10 years ago, I went on a modem kick and wrote a software modem, as well as setting one up at work on a real POTs line to dial in from my house using an old external 56k modem I had lying about. IIRC it linked up at 33.6 without a problem even with a VOIP box on my side (I did tweak the codec at one point, but the default with my provider was already reasonable for modems).

So, its true your not going to get "modern" (56k+) modem speeds on a lot of lines, but even when modems were popular not getting full speed was a continual problem due to line quality issues. So most modems would fall back until they got a reasonable lock. I'm not sure but in the early 2000's there was a state regulatory mandate that POTs lines needed to be capable of 19.2 (IIRC). It wouldn't surprise me if that still exists, even over digital lines to assure that said fax, home security, etc systems continue to work.

Anyway, the point being that at 300bps, your more likely to have problems with the endpoint refusing such a slow connection than having line quality issues.

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