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Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Interesting to note that one of the reasons this did not pass is Bernie Sanders' failure to support the amendment.

Keep that in mind next time someone riles about how Bernie is a champion for the average American. I, for one, am glad he will never be President.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Short term solution: Well VPNs for all, Ghostery [1] was running a deal on their paid version with a VPN built into their add-on [1]. Long term: The State is making their panopticon ambitions overt now in the public eye, thus spurring on the need to re-design the Internet entirely to avoid this. Anyone know what Starlink is offering in terms of privacy? Details are sparse for the most part right now, but given their…

Starlink is a product of a U.S. company. That's great if you're in China and want to get around the Great Firewall, but it's no use if you're in the U.S. and want to evade the panopticon. Not that there are many countries whose Starlink alternatives (if they had them, which they don't) could be trusted by anyone in the U.S.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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> McConnell is drafting language to prevent this from being used on “federal election candidates” which of course is expected to pass. So privacy for those in positions of power but not for us plebes.

Just use a damn VPN.

And when a court order requests the provider hand over your information?

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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My take is a little more nuanced. I believe this still needs to get approved back in the House. If this amendment had passed, the Patriot act renewal would have been more palatable when it gets there, and moderate democrats would have had a much harder time rejecting the bill there. I just can't imagine how the house could possibly pass the legislation that the Senate just approved. In this context, it wasn't as crit…

The Patriot Act is getting renewed in the House with or without this amendment.

You're right, I'd confused FISA with the Patriot act

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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As it is right now, it would allow access to the internet search and browser history of anyone in the world, without probable cause or a warrant. But to be clear, this is just a reduction in friction of the previous process which was to just call a judge of a secret FISA court which no one is really allowed to know the details of. So this is likely just a move to reduce some red tape, and increase data ingress.

> the previous process which was to just call a judge of a secret FISA court which no one is really allowed to know the details of. This is simplifying the process to imply it’s nothing more than just a phone call away. I do not think any court works like that. They still have to argue their case before a judge of the court which also allows third parties to submit material in the case. Simply saying “no one” is supp…

It is just a phone call away. Sometimes not even a phone call. In some cases the AG can authorize surveillance and merely notify a judge and file the warrant application later (within 10 days IIRC).

Even calling it a rubber stamp is an exceedingly generous definition of probable cause.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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Do they have to be viable candidates? I don't mind being in a permanent state of casual campaigning

We can even make a political party out of it where everyone in the party is a candidate.

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Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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But, according to that link, you should be using one in this case: "You are on a known-hostile network (eg. a public airport WiFi access point, or an ISP that is known to use MITM), and you want to work around that." An internet connection from an ISP operating under a government that logs your browsing history is a "known-hostile network".

This law would almost certainly be exercised via Google and not the ISP, which can't see the contents of your browsing history anyways.

But most ISPs will have DNS lookup records. Most users aren’t savvy enough to set their own DNS servers. I’m not sure on the current status of DNS over HTTPS, but I’d imagine .gov could just compel cloudflare or whoever to provide logs.

Re: Senate narrowly rejects plan to require a warrant for Americans’ browsing data

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The secret court has reviewed your criticisms, in secret, and finds them to be completely unwarranted.

Would have been more accurate to say: The secret court has reviewed your criticisms, in secret, and finds them to be [redacted]. Govern yourself accordingly.

Slightly more accurate:

The secret court has [redacted].

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