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Allegations: Google drastically rolled back diversity and inclusion programs
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#12It's interesting that the article blame Google not wanting to upset conservatives, because as far as I can tell the most recent public controversy involving Google's diversity and inclusion exercises around implicit bias was this, which had nothing to do with conservatives at all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21935706 (Actually, that might even be the only public controversy about them. The Damore stuff was more about recruitment if I remember rightly.)
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#13I had to take that program in Switzerland, designed in the USA, which was telling me how I can date my coworkers even outside the company. It may be OK in the US, but what it was asking from me was unconstitutional in Switzerland. Of course I didn't say anyting, as I liked the job. A coworker of mine just clicked through the training without reading any of it. Also diversity became the main topic (without being on th…
Why would talking about diversity in a cross team meeting cause you to dislike attending them?
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#14the funniest thing is how some people view simply discussing biases and such as a form of oppression or discrimination in and of itself
Re: Allegations: Google drastically rolled back diversity and inclusion programs
#15I had to take that program in Switzerland, designed in the USA, which was telling me how I can date my coworkers even outside the company. It may be OK in the US, but what it was asking from me was unconstitutional in Switzerland. Of course I didn't say anyting, as I liked the job. A coworker of mine just clicked through the training without reading any of it. Also diversity became the main topic (without being on th…
>Also diversity became the main topic (without being on the official agenda) of big cross-team meetings, so I learned not to go there
Did you omit something here? Surely if you feel a topic is taking more time at meetings than you think it deserves, the answer is not to stop attending cross-team meetings.
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#16Good. I've never seen a non-emotional argument for diversity and inclusovity programs. A company has no need to represent society as a whole, or worse, a duty to equalize societies inequalities. Any attempt to do so inherently harms as many people as it helps, it just moved the harm to groups unprotected by emotional arguments
I too have seen many emotional arguments for diversity programs, but it's honestly hard to believe you have "never" seen a non-emotional argument for one. Ironically, it suggests an overriding emotional negativity you have associated with diversity programs.
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#17Good. I've never seen a non-emotional argument for diversity and inclusovity programs. A company has no need to represent society as a whole, or worse, a duty to equalize societies inequalities. Any attempt to do so inherently harms as many people as it helps, it just moved the harm to groups unprotected by emotional arguments
When a company only hires white, able-bodied males aged 25-35 (for example) from a larger population that is diverse across sex, race, ability, and age, but those attributes have no correlation with job performance, then yes, there are problems - they're called sexism, racism, ableism, and ageism.
And companies in the US do have a duty, per anti-discrimination laws.
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#18the funniest thing is how some people view simply discussing biases and such as a form of oppression or discrimination in and of itself
I attended one program and I found it amusing that it assumed that I had a deep-seated biases simple because my skin had a particular hue while apparently other people with different hues didn't have biases.
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#19the funniest thing is how some people view simply discussing biases and such as a form of oppression or discrimination in and of itself
I attended one program and I found it amusing that it assumed that I had a deep-seated biases simple because my skin had a particular hue while apparently other people with different hues didn't have biases.
This sounds like a pretty dramatic exaggeration. I absolutely believe you felt that way, which is worth a lot. But I think the vast majority of diversity programs do not state "you (yes you, individually, benjohnson) have deep-seated biases, and it is because of your skin tone. Also, nobody with skin tones other than yours have biases."
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#20Good. I've never seen a non-emotional argument for diversity and inclusovity programs. A company has no need to represent society as a whole, or worse, a duty to equalize societies inequalities. Any attempt to do so inherently harms as many people as it helps, it just moved the harm to groups unprotected by emotional arguments
There are studies that found that companies earn more when their boards and management are 50/50 men and women. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-08/more-women-means-more... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/why-companies-with-female-ma...
This is backwards thinking. Companies who have 50/50 male/female management are likely smarter companies, picking up smart women who are looked over for other roles and because they are smart enough to do that they likely do other smart things. It is the effect of a well run company not the cause of it. If your company is working working the other way they are dumb.