It is possible that it is my general weariness talking, but based on our US government amazing level of incompetence displayed when dealing with COVID-19, I am now way less inclined to accept as a given that government can do conspiracies well.
Redditor finds unsecured surveillance cameras seemingly placed by US government
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#82Anybody else afraid to click some of the links in that post until you hear about legality of accessing (and controlling!) a DEA camera that's likely part of an active investigation?
As a practical matter I'm not worried about clicking a link that's been clicked tens of thousands of times today. There's enough ambiguous laws they could likely come after anyone who accesses it if they wanted but given the facts of the situation I doubt they'd be able to make anything stick and it would be a giant PR snafu.
>> I doubt they'd be able to make anything stick and it would be a giant PR snafu.
Both of those are true, however your life would still be massivly impacted and you would still be out thousands of dollars in legal fees with almost no hope of collecting them
Also better hope they do not find any other things in your life to charge you with, and you do not respond to any question in a way that could be seen as a lie, or about 100 other ways a federal agent can fuck you.
No it is best to simply avoid the system instead of putting your faith that "everything will work out in the end"
The only people that win in criminal cases are the courts, law enforcement, and the lawyers. as even if you "win" you lose
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely untrue. In the US, the law is written such that you may only legally access a system that you own or have explicit authorization from the owner to access. It mirrors common law where you're not generally allowed to enter someone else's home even if they leave the door unlocked. You can, of course (and plenty of people do), debate the specific application of the word, "access" in the context of computer net…
So accessing a web site is illegal? I rarely see explicit "you are allowed to access the HTML files on this server" anywhere.
Law is not really "rule-based" in the sense engineers tend to expect it to be
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can be if it was not intended to be public. It's really not much different than walking around outside. You can walk in an unlocked retail store and it's okay, but if you walk into your neighbors bedroom it's not okay.
People on message boards really want to believe there's a black -letter rule about what you can and can't do, but that's not how our criminal codes work. These cases will come down to the state of mind of the person accessing the website, as well as an argument about what a reasonable person would conclude upon reading what's on that website.
I think programmers especially like to view law through the lens of rules they could implement in code. Often they think it can be hacked by violating the spirit of the law while upholding the letter. Law in reality is a much more human thing that takes into account intention on the party of both legislators making the law and the people it is being applied to. Good thing too.
Is this that makes me think attempts to codify law on some blockchain is a doomed exercise most of the time.
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#85Any screenshots? Cameras are busy.
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#86Inside one of the cameras: "Due to its sensitive nature, the information contained on this website is restricted to law enforcement professionals and government agencies only. For access contact us at 503-932-6899 or email us at info@ipsurvconcepts.com" http://ipsurvconcepts.com/ Good job fellas.
This phone number traces to Mike Bethers, Special Agent at Oregon Department of Justice. I might give them a call today and ask about these cameras.
Phone Number Details
Phone Number: 5039326899
Area: Salem, OR (Oregon) Phone Company: NEXTEL COMMUNICATIONS, INC. Switch: PTLDOR40CM1
User Reports About: 503-932-6899
Number of Complaints: 0
Re: Redditor finds unsecured surveillance cameras seemingly placed by US government
#87China does stupid shit like this. They're all fake news.
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#88Reddit is owned by China too.
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#89Where is the conspiracy? I thought the US government had been surveiling its cities via aerial technology. Is the conspiracy that these are unsecured?
What do you mean by "conspiracy"? I'm not trying to be funny here, I think it's worth examining what precisely you mean by that word when you use it. It's a word with a specific meaning that is frequently abused in wishy-washy ways, often used to describe loony beliefs not grounded in reality, or beliefs that run contrary to the official narrative.
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#90/r/conspiracy kids discovers public city weather and traffic cameras that have been around Since the 00s
Weather and traffic cams don't have "Due to its sensitive nature, the information contained on this website is restricted to law enforcement professionals and government agencies only. For access contact us at 503-932-6899 or email us at info@ipsurvconcepts.com"