Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

theguardian.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 70 posts

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#21

Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

Andaith wrote: post #3

I'm a foreigner so I don't fully understand this, but here's my take: 1) Tesla is restarting the factory against local rules saying they can't, because their competition is in different localities with their local rules saying they can, and Tesla is at a disadvantage. 2) It's basically illegal for the workers to go to work, but Tesla is still insisting they do this? 3) the local council has said they won't do enforce…

You've missed some news:

>If Tesla’s Prevention & Control Plan includes these updates, and the public health indicators remain stable or improve, we have agreed that Tesla can begin to augment their Minimum Basic Operations this week in preparation for possible reopening as soon as next week

https://twitter.com/Dare2BWell/status/1260430367061876736

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#23

Post by taurath »

JackPoach wrote: post #5

Elon is playing with fire. This is punk mentality - let's get as close to self destruction as possible. It's OK to make decisions for yourself but health of others?

He’s certainly decided to become the bully.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#24

Post by yrwwywtywsrty »

Dacod wrote: post #16
kjksf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no scenario in which the workers get charged with anything as they are not breaking any laws. If a health department finds that a restaurant is too dirty to operate, they don't jail the workers or the workers but fine or shutdown the restaurant. This is a similar kind of an order - the best county could do is to fine Tesla or shut them down.

It's really not a similar situation. Refusing to social distance is illegal as it puts other people's lives in danger but working for a dirty restaurant is not and is not analogous this is in any way.

To make his analogy more accurate, it would be the restaurant gets shutdown for being too dirty, at which point the owners continue to open and the workers continue making food there.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#25

Post by AstralStorm »

Dacod wrote: post #16
kjksf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no scenario in which the workers get charged with anything as they are not breaking any laws. If a health department finds that a restaurant is too dirty to operate, they don't jail the workers or the workers but fine or shutdown the restaurant. This is a similar kind of an order - the best county could do is to fine Tesla or shut them down.

It's really not a similar situation. Refusing to social distance is illegal as it puts other people's lives in danger but working for a dirty restaurant is not and is not analogous this is in any way.

However the same sanitary law can be applied if Tesla violates distancing. It's exactly like a restaurant without a sink to wash hands or gloves.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#26

Post by AstralStorm »

yrwwywtywsrty wrote: post #24
Dacod wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not a similar situation. Refusing to social distance is illegal as it puts other people's lives in danger but working for a dirty restaurant is not and is not analogous this is in any way.

To make his analogy more accurate, it would be the restaurant gets shutdown for being too dirty, at which point the owners continue to open and the workers continue making food there.

And then the owner is supposed to be slapped with a reasonable fine. Or jailed if they're continuing to defy the court order.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#27

Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

JackPoach wrote: post #5

Elon is playing with fire. This is punk mentality - let's get as close to self destruction as possible. It's OK to make decisions for yourself but health of others?

The thing is, the Alameda County Public Health Department changed their policy now that they received Tesla's plan (that was posted to the company's blog when they announced the lawsuit), and is now allowing Tesla to augment their operation activities beyond the bare minimum, in preparation for a full reopening next week. I guess both parties will claim that they went ahead according to their original plans but somehow, Tesla will have been able to restart much sooner than Alameda County's goal. In that case, "playing with fire" would be fruitful, esp. if Alameda County pretend things went just fine.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#28

Post by natch »

m463 wrote: post #17
gamblor956 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not missing anything. The local county has already said they won't prosecute the workers for violating the health order since Elon Musk is making them choose between their health or their livelihoods. It's also unlikely the local county or state will prosecute Elon Musk since it's difficult to pinpoint the actual criminal violation he could be charged with. However, it's very likely that Musk will be sued in c…

I wonder what kind of lawsuit payoff employees would get if they went to work and caught coronavirus?

They can catch it at home just as easily, so it would be difficult to prove their claim. So I would think it would be a non-starter.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#29

Post by AstralStorm »

natrik wrote: post #20
Dacod wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not a similar situation. Refusing to social distance is illegal as it puts other people's lives in danger but working for a dirty restaurant is not and is not analogous this is in any way.

Smoking and obesity put other people's lives in danger as well, whether it be due to second hand smoke or being a burden on the healthcare system and diverting resources. There have been countless discussions already about at risk groups and potential spread to them, QALY's, etc. What I want to get at is "social distancing" is arbitrary (6 feet?) and should not be forced. (I am unsure of your statement "Refusing to s…

Illegal, as in not allowed and punishable by law in the state.

But the state is willing to make some exceptions, making it legal for this.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

#30

Post by natch »

JackPoach wrote: post #5

Elon is playing with fire. This is punk mentality - let's get as close to self destruction as possible. It's OK to make decisions for yourself but health of others?

This is really overdramatizing things. People in the region are no less healthy with the factory open, unless it’s a pollution source or something.

It’s not like a meat plant where people are working with wet protein items all day long. They are probably more spaced out and socially distanced in the factory than they would be at home or visiting their local supermarket, hello kitty store (Daiso), or car detailing shop, all of which are allowed to be open, and are in fact open in Fremont.

Post reply on HN