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Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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The metal economy is huge. Almost every product requires metal. But metallurgists don't take home a big fraction of it. What's special about the software economy is that people who write the software take home a large fraction of it. Maybe more than half, depending how you count. Which is unprecedented. It's not just because software can be zero marginal cost. Musicians don't take home half of music revenue. In most…

" people who write the software take home a large fraction of it. Maybe more than half, " Where do you get that figure? The vast majority of people writing software are not paid enough salary + benefits to come anywhere close to 50% of the revenue their work is responsible for earning.

It's a good point. It varies widely depending on the industry, but even in the software industry a good rule of thumb is that IT costs about 10% of revenue (some places are as high as 30%, some as low as 2%). But that includes all the management (not executive management) and support staff. The spend for sales and marketing is much higher than development (though sometimes most of that goes out of the company, paying for sales channels, etc).

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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I remember reading this article about SAP a few months ago, and it just blew my mind: https://retool.com/blog/erp-for-engineers/ Here was an entire market segment I'd never heard of, and just the market leader is worth $163B . And on top of that, the technology is so totally alien to anything I'd ever heard of before. It's like an alternate-history kind of thing. Like if we discovered a continent somewhere in the Pac…

Want your mind to be blown even more? I worked for a multinational company, I would not be surpised that this company is among the top 10 SAP customers worldwide. Well, everybody hated hated hated SAP, it was a huge hindrance instead of any help.Any use beyond of a "dumb" database was a huge PITA, and I am not fully convinced that all in all it helped more than damaged the business. It was clunky, unintutive, slow, u…

I've never seen an et cetera qualified :D

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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I dunno man, sounds like bullshit to me. Some big brained engineers spent decades programming fizz buzz in brain fuck. This is temple OS for the We Work Generation.

What gets you infinite upvotes on Reddit doesn't necessarily work here.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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There are hidden "unicorns" everywhere. Sometime ago I heard Germany had a lot of "small" companies that are leaders in their market niche but you don't have it in the radar. For instance: Hohner (the Harmonica manufacturer), or Flexi (dog leashes) Every country has some of this hidden unicorns; but it is easier to spot them from the distance.

For what it's worth, those German Mittelstand companies are the exact opposite of what's usually referred to as a unicorn. They are small to medium-size, multi-generational family-run and family-owned businesses that focus on a very narrow set of products, such as just making gears for automative applications, or ball bearings, or blades. The people working there often work there their whole life, with the understand…

Doesn't unicorn just mean $1B+ valuation?

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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I wonder if you have worked as an accountant? Or at least took some intro courses in the area? Or at a bare minimum took a look at common corporate financial statements? This is such a typical dismissive reaction by a person who has ZERO insights into the domain. If it is so trivial, why don't you do it and disrupt the market? Some very trivial millions are waiting for you to just come and get them, what's holding yo…

I don't do it because I care more about my time these days than about making millions :-) And why would I want to do something that is so obviously boring?

Trivial stuff takes what, an hour, a week, a month at maximum to do? So you are trading the opportunity to be financially independent for the rest of your life for what, your free time on a span of one month? Yeah, that does sound reasonable.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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That's because this stuff isn't valuable because it's software, it's valuable because of "business value" and expensive because of "customer support". Seriously. I can list tons of things that are reasonably profitable, but I, personally, don't want to do the hard work of customer support so I won't even start.

> Seriously. I can list tons of things that are reasonably profitable, but I, personally, don't want to do the hard work of customer support so I won't even start. This in itself is a business idea. We need an Uber for Sales Support Staff that entrepreneurs can just rent by the hour.

I'd never use that because support is mostly dealing with company specific problems.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add some context (for your curiosity), I'm not in The Valley and I'd never worked at a true "startup" until very recently, but I have only ever worked at small ( I had actually heard the name SAP come up in passing at my last company, who had lots of ginormous clients. But all I'd really gathered before reading the article was "it's some kind of database, or something".

> Except, that is, for the summer I interned at Hewlett-Packard. Not sure how it never came up there; maybe they just have their own equivalent system. When was this? Leo Apotheker became CEO of HP in 2010, after 22 years at SAP (two as CEO). He then presided over a sequence of colossal fuck-ups, lost 40% market cap, and was fired less than a year later. HP definitely knows about SAP, but I wouldn't be surprised if t…

He ran sales arms of SAP for 20 years, not SAP itself. After he became CEO of SAP itself he was fired after 2 years, then he joined HP amd he was fired from that after one year. Pretty rough end to his career there..

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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I remember reading this article about SAP a few months ago, and it just blew my mind: https://retool.com/blog/erp-for-engineers/ Here was an entire market segment I'd never heard of, and just the market leader is worth $163B . And on top of that, the technology is so totally alien to anything I'd ever heard of before. It's like an alternate-history kind of thing. Like if we discovered a continent somewhere in the Pac…

Thanks for sharing, very interesting to read.

> basic installation of SAP has 20,000 database tables, 3,000 of which are configuration tables. In those tables, there are ~8,000 configuration decisions you need before even getting started

Wow, this is nuts. 20,000 database tables?

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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AI-driven software development down the road could theoretically commoditize developer skills. I sometimes wonder how many decisions I make per day that an AI could replicate in some repeatable way. Who knows, but nothing lasts forever.

We should technically be the last to be automated. We’ll destroy other labor systematically over decades, and then finally ourselves. We seem to be subconsciously precocious about our fate too, as we deprecate things at a faster and faster rate.

I think you might be surprised, it’s possible some types of programming could be automated away. Honestly I would consider writing programs more straightforward to automate than a lot of systems that need to interact with the physics map world, or with people.

Re: Patio11's Law: The software economy is bigger than you think

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I remember reading this article about SAP a few months ago, and it just blew my mind: https://retool.com/blog/erp-for-engineers/ Here was an entire market segment I'd never heard of, and just the market leader is worth $163B . And on top of that, the technology is so totally alien to anything I'd ever heard of before. It's like an alternate-history kind of thing. Like if we discovered a continent somewhere in the Pac…

Believe it or not, there was business software in the 90s. They were called *RP. ERP = Enterprise Resource Planning, MRP = Material Resource Planning, CRM = Customer Relationship Management. Home-grown code hacks to run a business cannot do what these companies can do, that’s why they’re expensive.
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