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Re: Valve drops VR support for macOS

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Post by wpietri »

baby wrote: post #269
wpietri wrote: post #258

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I am not denying the fact. I'm saying it doesn't prove that VR has gone mainstream. It's a valiant attempt on Valve's part to make that happen, but it's just an attempt.

We’ll see in a year.

That would be great, but I doubt it. I've been having this discussion since 1997 or so. VR will always have true believers who believe that this is the year. A year later, they just have a different reason. It's the same deal with Bitcoin advocates: https://twitter.com/williampietri/status/1071833726294749184

Re: Valve drops VR support for macOS

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Post by jsgo »

bangonkeyboard wrote: post #279
jsgo wrote: post #278

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Which means if Apple allows them to use non-metal drivers. Historically, there’s little reason to think Apple would waiver (wish they would) and the value for Nvidia to write their drivers using Metal is minimal. I’m kind of curious though: what value do their web drivers have to them now that they couldn’t just release them as OSS and allow a determined group to rewrite them as Metal.

No, you've misunderstood again. Nvidia's eGPU web drivers already supported Metal in High Sierra [0]. Apple refuses to sign their drivers for Mojave and up. Without Apple's signature, GPU drivers will not run on macOS, OSS or not. [0] https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2020_03/84...

Ah, that's interesting.

I know there are some older Nvidia cards that do work on Mac, but most of the recent GTX/RTX/etc. ones don't. Are they similarly Metal (and just missing a signature)?

Because whenever I was actually keeping up with this, the stalemate was over Nvidia not leveraging Metal.

Re: Valve drops VR support for macOS

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Post by baby »

wpietri wrote: post #281
baby wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ll see in a year.

That would be great, but I doubt it. I've been having this discussion since 1997 or so. VR will always have true believers who believe that this is the year. A year later, they just have a different reason. It's the same deal with Bitcoin advocates: https://twitter.com/williampietri/status/1071833726294749184

> I've been having this discussion since 1997

I tried VR back then, and I tried VR now. It sounds like you haven't tried it now? I've seen people crying because they couldn't believe how crazy it was. Just give it a try!

Re: Valve drops VR support for macOS

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Post by wpietri »

baby wrote: post #283
wpietri wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be great, but I doubt it. I've been having this discussion since 1997 or so. VR will always have true believers who believe that this is the year. A year later, they just have a different reason. It's the same deal with Bitcoin advocates: https://twitter.com/williampietri/status/1071833726294749184

> I've been having this discussion since 1997 I tried VR back then, and I tried VR now. It sounds like you haven't tried it now? I've seen people crying because they couldn't believe how crazy it was. Just give it a try!

Ah yes, the assumption of ignorance and the belief that if I only try it I'll become a convert. Two more tiresome features of quasi-religious discussions.

I have tried it a number of times, including the current generation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23048814

Re: Valve drops VR support for macOS

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Post by baby »

wpietri wrote: post #284
baby wrote: post #283

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> I've been having this discussion since 1997 I tried VR back then, and I tried VR now. It sounds like you haven't tried it now? I've seen people crying because they couldn't believe how crazy it was. Just give it a try!

Ah yes, the assumption of ignorance and the belief that if I only try it I'll become a convert. Two more tiresome features of quasi-religious discussions. I have tried it a number of times, including the current generation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23048814

what games have you tried? I guess trying a shitty experience does not help

Re: Valve drops VR support for macOS

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Post by lookdangerous »

dgellow wrote: post #136
lookdangerous wrote: post #73

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I suppose they do that so you know what using a Mac is like when you develop for it. Macs are, in my experience, different than other machines.

How are they different?

Awesome trackpads, and cohesive hardware from a single maker vs a massive ecosystem of different arrangements of components. Different ethos imo.
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