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Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

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Post by peterhunt »

wyc wrote: post #17

React Native scares me with its dependency webs: http://npm.anvaka.com/#/view/2d/react-native From my experience, it's really great to work with and definitely saves a ton of work, but the depgraph above fills me with doubt for use in sensitive applications such as in finance or healthcare. For this reason, I've been trying out Flutter or even considering to go back to native apps. Perhaps there's some kind of middle…

Wow, that React Native dep graph is crazy!

But as I browse it, most of the dependencies seem to be build-time, not runtime dependencies (i.e. it seems like most of them are related to Babel). The React comparison doesn't include dev dependencies.

While react-native does have more dependencies than vanilla react, on first glance the list doesn't seem too crazy https://github.com/facebook/react-native/blob/master/package...

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

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Post by int_19h »

metalliqaz wrote: post #9
qppo wrote: post #6

I'd love to abandon my C/C++ UI frameworks for React, but I need - consistent rendering/support across multiple platforms and versions - multiple windows - rendering to a window that isn't owned by the UI being rendered or created by the framework Can I do that all in React native? Edit: don't need to bring up electron.

what the heck is that third one about?

I think they mean stuff like XAML islands in Win32.

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

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Post by int_19h »

szhu wrote: post #18

I think the killer feature here is natively targeting Windows AND macOS simultaneously. The only cross-platform alternatives that I've seen in the ecosystem use either web or Gtk in the frontend, and both of these have a distinctly non-native feel to them.

In which ecosystem? If you mean desktop apps in general, then there are many other options. Qt and wxWidgets, to name a couple of popular ones that have been around for a very long time.

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

#44

Post by qppo »

metalliqaz wrote: post #9
qppo wrote: post #6

I'd love to abandon my C/C++ UI frameworks for React, but I need - consistent rendering/support across multiple platforms and versions - multiple windows - rendering to a window that isn't owned by the UI being rendered or created by the framework Can I do that all in React native? Edit: don't need to bring up electron.

what the heck is that third one about?

I work with applications that generate windows and manage their lifetimes independently of whatever is inside the window. afaict, most web/mobile UI frameworks assume they're the only thing in the universe, whereas on desktop there's a complex application managing zero or more rendering surfaces and portions of the code only know about the one that they're supposed to target.

It's a hairier problem than you'd expect it to be. I'm not an expert but my understanding is that it's tricky to deal with the event loops when you're not the master of your domain, at least in a platform agnostic way. The workaround is usually to spawn multiple processes, but then the management of app state has to have an IPC layer underneath the internal APIs and there needs to be a master daemon running somewhere.

In keeping with front page posts, the plugin API for Apple's Logic Pro (audio units) is an example of that. You are handed an NSView* and need to render on it, but you don't create it.

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

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Post by int_19h »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #36
rafamvc wrote: post #5

Flutter seems to be gaining ground on React Native. And they also have web and desktop ports. Recently flutter overtook react native on Google trends.

Windows Forms was released on 2002 and is still supported by Microsoft. How long do you think Flutter will be supported by Google? For dev technology, Microsoft has a well-deserved reputation for supporting products for a long time.

It... depends. Remember Silverlight?

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

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Post by virtue3 »

43920 wrote: post #22
kevmo314 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electron can't do multiple windows or consistent rendering? Legit question, I just started using Electron, hadn't heard of the former and thought the latter was a selling point because all platforms wrapped Electron's Chrome.

Electron supports multiple windows, but it ends up being annoying to do because each window runs in its own process. If your app has any kind of central state that's shared between windows, you end up copying data between processes frequently, which can be slow. Rendering consistency is generally pretty good; I haven't run into any issues with that.

just ship everything with sqlite :) it'll be fine

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

#48

Post by unsignedint »

nikivi wrote: post #10
whb07 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasm

With WASM though you will still have to have the app be deployed within browser context. Thus losing hotkeys to the browser etc Or you can build native WASM apps?

That's probably where Blazor is eventually heading to?

There seems to be some preview on the mobile native, though, it's probably not strictly a WASM as it provides binding through Xamarin...[0]

[0]: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/aspnet/mobile-blazor-bindings...

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

#49

Post by munchbunny »

metalliqaz wrote: post #9
qppo wrote: post #6

I'd love to abandon my C/C++ UI frameworks for React, but I need - consistent rendering/support across multiple platforms and versions - multiple windows - rendering to a window that isn't owned by the UI being rendered or created by the framework Can I do that all in React native? Edit: don't need to bring up electron.

what the heck is that third one about?

I think it means using the same process to control multiple windows simultaneously. You can do it with various C/C++ libraries and .NET, but IIRC not Electron, which leads to the question: can you do it with React Native?

Re: React Native for Windows and Mac

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Post by filleduchaos »

peterhunt wrote: post #41
wyc wrote: post #17

React Native scares me with its dependency webs: http://npm.anvaka.com/#/view/2d/react-native From my experience, it's really great to work with and definitely saves a ton of work, but the depgraph above fills me with doubt for use in sensitive applications such as in finance or healthcare. For this reason, I've been trying out Flutter or even considering to go back to native apps. Perhaps there's some kind of middle…

Wow, that React Native dep graph is crazy! But as I browse it, most of the dependencies seem to be build-time, not runtime dependencies (i.e. it seems like most of them are related to Babel). The React comparison doesn't include dev dependencies. While react-native does have more dependencies than vanilla react, on first glance the list doesn't seem too crazy https://github.com/facebook/react-native/blob/master/packa…

The package.json file hasn't been remotely close to representative of the actual dependency count of a JS project for years.
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