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Post by kungato »

gregkerzhner wrote: post #356

I think if you work with a brilliant group of coworkers that you love to hangout out with, then you are lucky and I can see how you miss being in the office. But, thats not the case for many of us. The crux of work relationships is that they are not voluntary. You might get lucky and have ones you love, or you might get some that are distracting, or at worse, you dislike. Either way though you are stuck with them. I…

Yeah but you still work at least 8 hours with those people. Every time you need someone to review a pull request, split work or bugs, collaborate, all those minutes you mingled or not matter

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Post by nprateem »

_bxg1 wrote: post #379
gregkerzhner wrote: post #356

I think if you work with a brilliant group of coworkers that you love to hangout out with, then you are lucky and I can see how you miss being in the office. But, thats not the case for many of us. The crux of work relationships is that they are not voluntary. You might get lucky and have ones you love, or you might get some that are distracting, or at worse, you dislike. Either way though you are stuck with them. I…

The flipside is that it takes a lot more intentional effort, which many of us may struggle to put forth. The vast majority of friendships are made in incidental contexts: people you just happen to be around and interact with through the normal course of life. Many adults struggle to make and maintain friendships when they no longer have school forcing them to be around peers, and become very isolated. I think your in…

We're basically wired to become friends with people we're physically close to or have intense experiences with. You can imagine the evolutionary benefit to that.

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Post by mertd »

_the_inflator wrote: post #428
gregkerzhner wrote: post #356

I think if you work with a brilliant group of coworkers that you love to hangout out with, then you are lucky and I can see how you miss being in the office. But, thats not the case for many of us. The crux of work relationships is that they are not voluntary. You might get lucky and have ones you love, or you might get some that are distracting, or at worse, you dislike. Either way though you are stuck with them. I…

I wholeheartedly agree. > If you could eliminate the 1 hour of wasted time daily This is it. Without self-driving cars this is the most important present you can give to a worker. What would you pay for an additional hour a day?

$56 per minute saved https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/new-yorkers-will-pay-56...

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Post by jhunter1016 »

It should not have taken a pandemic for this to be the new normal for some companies. But at least we're seeing companies that were previously hesitant to allow remote work making things permanent after COVID19. Relationships with co-workers are important, but the truth is, if more people were able to work from home, neighborhoods could be the places where individuals end up socializing. Neighborhoods could be completely transformed thanks to a reduction in the need to commute.

Obviously, this can't apply for all workers, but for a big chunk of the working population, it can.

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Post by squnch »

throwaway713 wrote: post #182
dddbbb wrote: post #137

I work at a large tech company on a young team (average age is late twenties). In my experience many don't view working from home regularly as a benefit. I understand that must change drastically when you're middle aged, have a family to live around and a spacious house in the suburbs. But most younger people want to live in the middle of the city (i.e. small, often shared apartments but a short commute) and have no…

If I could keep my current compensation and move to the low cost of living area where my family is located, I would reach financial independence 10-15 years ahead of my current trajectory with Bay Area rents/costs. I'll settle for the minor inconveniences of WFH any day in order to get a decade of my life to spend with family or to work on my own projects.

If you have great skills you can do that today. If you don't have great skills and a company has made itself amenable to remote work, then why would they hire you at a Bay Area salary instead of firing you and hiring someone already in that location for half your salary?

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Post by badfrog »

benkaiser wrote: post #341
sylens wrote: post #146

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I would love for more companies to embrace this just to open up the candidate pool for positions. There are so many positions at Microsoft, for example, that I would have loved to apply for, but they require you to be in Redmond, and I'm just not in a position to relocate.

Just so you're aware, it is possible in Microsoft to some extent, just not very publicly visible (the careers site doesn't help you find these jobs). I started working in one team and switched to another team internally because they are pro-remote and I plan on moving back to Australia. Broadly across Microsoft there are also about ~30 other engineers already working from Australia for Redmond-based teams.

> switched to another team internally because they are pro-remote and I plan on moving back to Australia

I don't know about Microsoft in particular, but from what I've seen it's much easier to find a remote position while you're already at a company working onsite than it is before you get hired.

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Post by mwcampbell »

closeparen wrote: post #258
deeblering4 wrote: post #167

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Why would people fitting this description not prefer the flexibility of working remotely? As an aside -- I prefer not to use the term "work from home", as the ideal (for me) is the ability to work from anywhere at my option. Also, for what it's worth, co-working spaces can be a workable alternative to a traditional office.

Imagine you're 22. For the last 17 years you've showed up every day for an institution. It provided a schedule, a routine, social interaction with a community of peers who share common ground, even explicitly structured extracurricular events. One day that just comes to a hard stop. You're sitting in your childhood bedroom on a computer. Your friends have all scattered to the wind. What now? Of course it's possible t…

> For the last 17 years you've showed up every day for an institution.

That's the problem.

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Post by 0xffff2 »

the_gipsy wrote: post #225
mjayhn wrote: post #140

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I wfh and I won't work for a company that bases my pay on my zipcode (Gitlab). I want complete flexibility on where I live. There are plenty of remote companies that don't do that, especially now post-covid. I wish more people would reject zip code COL so that companies starting to WFH don't just take Gitlabs idea of it.

Wait, so you can move to a super expensive place and the company will subsidize your mortgage investment?

Yep. Gitlab's salary formula is publicly available. You can go take a look. I'm currently in the bay area, but I would love to permanently move to Southern Oregon (where I already own a house). Gitlab's salary is normalized to the bay area (i.e. the bay area gets a 1x multiplier). If I wanted to do the exact same job from Oregon, my hypothetical salary at Gitlab would arbitrarily get multiplied by 0.6x... and that's why I'm never going to apply to Gitlab.
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