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Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Then why pay $200k for a software engineer in the valley when the same talent can live outside of the bay area and can do with 1/3rd of the salary? The question I have is what portion of the $200k salary is 1) due to the raw talent of the individual 2) because they live in the bay area.

There's an interesting theory about this based on game theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro%E2%80%93Stiglitz_theor...

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Our organization has been working remotely for nearly 2 months. Last week I received an organization-wide email that we'll start to transition back to the office in mid-June. Chances are that my team will be one of the last brought back but I still felt sick about it.

My organization operates culturally at the pace of an insurance company. Despite the benefits of a semi-remote organization to my employer and the opportunity this pandemic provided for proof that productivity can remain high when working remotely, it will choose to have people on-site.

Now I'm searching for remote-only work.

[EDIT: Added "sick" in the last sentence of the first paragraph.]

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I think the biggest argument for me against near 100% WFH is the space cost of a dedicated home office. Ideally I would need another room for it to be long term sustainable. Right now I live in a small 400 sq. feet (≈ 35 m²) studio apartment in city center, walking distance to everything (including the office in normal times). Property prices here are at around 1k USD / sq. feet (10 k USD / m²). An apartment with ded…

Coworking spaces exist.

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I work for a pretty well-known tech company, and my hypothesis is that we'll switch to a mostly at-home work week, where most people WFH 3 or 4 days a week with one day of the week being designated as a "meeting day" where everyone is in the office. I don't think this will happen because of people are worried about virus transmission, but instead because most people like working from home and we've proven we can be j…

I am having a very hard time staying motivated in the current context. Kids at home yelling at each other, other coworkers distracted, work tasks badly defined without the ability to verbally hash things out, emotional / mental health stress due to the current scenario. I don't feel like the current scenario is indicative of a well structured WFH setup, even though we've been doing it for 2 months now. In short I hop…

> work tasks badly defined without the ability to verbally hash things out

The ability to hash things out verbally is a great escape hatch, but it has turned into a crutch. I hope universal WFH will push people to work to a standard where it can be the exception instead of the norm.

> Kids at home yelling at each other, other coworkers distracted

In my experience, working at home isn't much different from working at work. If you don't have a private office with a door, it's going to be very challenging to focus regardless of whether you're sharing space with your coworkers or your family. Long ago I worked in a cube farm that had the depressing gray regularity of a low-effort DOOM wod, and I'm not sure that wasn't better for productivity than the attractive, high-end open plan offices I've worked in since then.

In a couple of years, my wife and I will be living in a different house, and we will both have private offices, cost be damned. I've decided mine can be as small as 10'x6', as long as it has a door and a window.

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I want to know how to run a 24/7 company with senior employees spread around the world a few timezones apart. I just don't think we have the communication tools to support productive collaboration between people who hardly ever meet. (I think what I may be saying is that while yes, there are Open Source projects that overcome these same sorts of problems, I don't think it's tools or process that are the reason they w…

There are successful, fully remote, companies, such as Automattic (Wordpress), Gitlab and more. If they can figure it out, seems more companies can as well.

I love how Automattic refers to their work not as remote, but decentralized. Remote work indicates there is a central location, but there isn't one at Automattic.

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I work at a large tech company on a young team (average age is late twenties). In my experience many don't view working from home regularly as a benefit. I understand that must change drastically when you're middle aged, have a family to live around and a spacious house in the suburbs. But most younger people want to live in the middle of the city (i.e. small, often shared apartments but a short commute) and have no…

If I could keep my current compensation and move to the low cost of living area where my family is located, I would reach financial independence 10-15 years ahead of my current trajectory with Bay Area rents/costs. I'll settle for the minor inconveniences of WFH any day in order to get a decade of my life to spend with family or to work on my own projects.

That's the whole point though. You're not going to be able to "keep your current compensation" if companies embrace this in earnest.

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I want to know how to run a 24/7 company with senior employees spread around the world a few timezones apart. I just don't think we have the communication tools to support productive collaboration between people who hardly ever meet. (I think what I may be saying is that while yes, there are Open Source projects that overcome these same sorts of problems, I don't think it's tools or process that are the reason they w…

My company is on the smaller side, but we're 100% remote work and have employees and a management team spread across the US, Canada, Europe, and China.

We communicate extensively through video calls and Slack.

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As I understand, you're allowed to (but not required to) work from home. So it seems like a win-win for both groups?

The tools and processes for remote work are completely different than co-located though. This will force the in-office folks to essentially adopt all of the remote protocols. IME blended teams are by far the hardest to make work.

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This makes sense. In my team it’s the same: the young guys like going out together after work and also often don’t have the space at home to set up a good workplace. They also need the most handholding. I remember some discussions a while ago where the conclusion was that it’s hard to onboard juniors remotely and remote is more suitable for experienced people.

This was my experience as well. When I started as a developer, my team was fully remote (I was the only developer in NYC, most of the rest were in Portugal or elsewhere in the US.) I found it very difficult to ask questions remotely for several reasons: I never knew if I was intruding on somebody else's time, and explaining things over Slack isn't as effective (in retrospect, I should have made more use of video and…

>I never knew if I was intruding on somebody else's time

is this just a lack of understanding that (or a lack of your company embracing) chat/email is asynchronous communication?

I work remote, and all of the people who don't want to be disturbed have snoozed notifications and I understand that they'll get back to me when they're ready.

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