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Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

eru wrote: post #377
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #336

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If the service and quality is equivalent then I would prefer to give my money to an American company since I'm American

I would prefer to keep my money, if I can. Otherwise, I don't think any of Germans or Poles or Chinese or Americans etc are better humans than the other. Or more deserving. There's a bit of an argument in favour of buying from poorer countries, like China or Bangladesh, I guess.

It's not about being better humans or more deserving. More just about being self-reliant and supporting the economy that most directly affects me.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by barrkel »

niwork wrote: post #214
glotgizmo wrote: post #202

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This is pretty accurate and refreshing to see. Contray to everyone elses salaries, UK (excl. London) seems very low. I am just below the £45k mark with 3 years at my current company and 12ish years overall. So should be bang on your numbers when it comes to 5-10 years at this company.

Where in the UK are you based? Don't get disheartened when you read these big salaries online. The average reader isn't bothering to post theirs. The UK is actually pretty good when it comes to IT salaries. Go to France, for example, and they're much lower. The attitude to devs is quite poor in a lot of places, treating us like we're one rung above car mechanics. We also have a good contract market in the UK; in many…

IME salaries have risen fairly significantly in London over the past 7 years or so, up until about 2 years ago.

I don't think dev immigration has hurt that much if at all. There's a virtuous circle: the more devs there are, the more startups are created and the more FAANGs set up shop. Devs get more experienced on bigger and harder problems, which makes them more valuable.

There's a huge amount of developer immigration to SV, and yet that's where the highest salaries are. Would they really be even higher if FB, Google, Apple etc. couldn't find enough devs to hire, or would those companies have set up shop in other areas and countries instead, to accommodate their needs? Or would those companies have been growth constrained on availability of talent instead?

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

eru wrote: post #429
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #323

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I know that. Thing is, the other retailers don't treat their employees any better, have usually higher prices, but pay less. What to do?

I'm not talking about bad treatment. I'm talking about hard work. But 'what to do?' is easy to answer in principle but hard to implement in practice: lower barriers to entry for new companies, and for companies wanting to expand into other industries or markets. Make it easy for workers to move between jobs. (By, for example, not tying health insurance to your job.)

While i'm not working there, i casually know some people who did at the store level, shelving/cashier. It's not less hard at f.e. Edeka or Rewe either. That's what i meant. And health insurance isn't tied to a job here. And when you are shopping, if you are not absolutely ignorant, you can see and compare the range of tasks a single person has to do where and when. There is not much difference to be seen, and backstage it isn't different either.

edit: I'm unsure what you mean by lower barriers to entry. I'm all in for barriers if they ensure following safe and healthy practice!

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by verylittlemeat »

unethical_ban wrote: post #424
verylittlemeat wrote: post #417

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>Overall, using "du" is acceptable in 90% of social interactions. It's only when talking to people in higher positions or as a courtesy to elderly / unfamiliar people. That is pretty much exactly how nigga is used.

I don't think there is a mapping to this in English. I've studied some Spanish and German - You learn about the various verb and pronoun forms based on informal and formal "you". This is a part of the core language, the spec, so to speak. In English, there is no spec for different levels of formality. There is no universally documented way to being less courteous to bosses and policemen. Saying "sup dude" or "how's i…

Well it just so happens I am black and I've been using the word most of my life.

Nigga is just "bro" or "dude" but exclusively used among black/minority communities. I realize the word nigga is A Big Deal for white people but really in our community it is used as casually as the word "like" in any given sentence. Interestingly I have even used it with black bosses before in a joking casual way.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by benjohnson1707 »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #383
dubcanada wrote: post #354

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According to https://www.comparably.com/companies/lidl/salaries/software-... and glassdoor senior software engineers are around 150k to 200k and directors are around 200k to 300k. So they are largely comparable to SV salaries at Google/Facebook. Which means since Google/Facebook pay more than average, they are above average for SV. And that's at places like Berlin which are cheaper to live than SV.

GP said that the salaries would make senior engineers in Silicon Valley pale. That implies that they're much higher. Instead, they're actually much lower, as I suspected. This is true even for the senior engineers, at around half the compensation or so; for the principal engineers and directors, working somewhere like Google or FB gets you 3-5x what's quoted for Lidl. > So they are largely comparable to SV salaries a…

Agreed! Let me clarify: high wages, once you're an engineering manager it's probably comparable. However, you're not nearly as relevant, from a value-sdd perspective. FAANG etc. are software companies. Lidl is an offline retailer. So top notch engineering there is not nearly as critical as for a company like facebook. So let me rephrase: way more buck for way less bang!

But a fair critique! Thanks for pointing out.

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Post by wolfgke »

addandsubtract wrote: post #410
wolfgke wrote: post #339

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> I agree though about the big difference between the German and US management. I have a close friend that works at the regional Lidl HQ and she got reprimanded just after being hired for having used the singular "you" (less formal) instead of the plural "you" (I'm not sure how it translates into German) when addressing herself to her bosses on the company's hallways Using "du" instead of "Sie" for adressing people c…

Using the informal "du" over "Sie" is not anywhere near using the n-word in english. Raising your outstretched hand just above head hight to greet someone would be, though. Overall, using "du" is acceptable in 90% of social interactions. It's only when talking to people in higher positions or as a courtesy to elderly / unfamiliar people.

> Overall, using "du" is acceptable in 90% of social interactions.

This holds for private life. In professional life (except for IT industry and design industry; both are much more casual in the interaction style), it is rather "Sie" is acceptable in 90% of social interactions.

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Post by cat199 »

eru wrote: post #321
usrusr wrote: post #278

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Du/Sie and first name/last name are almost without exception divided along the same lines in German. Sie plus first name is how a person with extreme status expectations would address their butler, and just as old-fashioned. "I'm sorry you can never be my peer but I respect you anyways". Last name and Du would be using the last name as a nickname in a decidedly first name situation. Think "bro" but timeless.

Oh, there's more to it. Compare https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_Sie I can vouch for the Kassiererinnen-Du being used. My mom runs the butcher in a supermarket. She and and many of her coworkers share a lot about themselves, but they still address each as other as Frau Schmidt and Herr Schulze.

Apparently mincing one thing and putting it between a pari of two other things is a specialty of Hamburg, who knew!

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by diehunde »

unethical_ban wrote: post #424
verylittlemeat wrote: post #417

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>Overall, using "du" is acceptable in 90% of social interactions. It's only when talking to people in higher positions or as a courtesy to elderly / unfamiliar people. That is pretty much exactly how nigga is used.

I don't think there is a mapping to this in English. I've studied some Spanish and German - You learn about the various verb and pronoun forms based on informal and formal "you". This is a part of the core language, the spec, so to speak. In English, there is no spec for different levels of formality. There is no universally documented way to being less courteous to bosses and policemen. Saying "sup dude" or "how's i…

When I was learning German I read somewhere that English used to have different forms for "you" just like German. Which wouldn't be weird since the languages are closely related.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by sitkack »

yardie wrote: post #402
bdauvergne wrote: post #386

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I'm French French, we just think you and Walloons are rednecks with no education, see you ;)

I'm married to a frog, and they really do believe the quebecois are their poor, dumb, country cousins.

We had both a French exchange student and Quebecois exchange student in high school, he would frequently do a french impersonation of something akin to the Beverly Hillbillies and make the Quebecois girl cry. Being a town of rednecks ourselves everyone thought it was wonderful.
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