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Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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There's also the Renault Twizy that is readily available and significantly cheaper (starting at 7000 Euro). Actually even the regular electric car by Seat (Mii) is much cheaper than the Electrameccanica.

I wonder why no one mentioned the Smart. Here in Europe they're quite popular in dense cities. One advantage is they can be parked sideways on most streets, which not only helps with finding a spot but is also easier. According to Wikipedia[0], a Smart is actually shorter and it can also be electric. This actually has quite a few shortcomings compared to a Smart: * Cannot carry a passenger * Requires a motorcycle lic…

The North American Smart was larger than that, wasn't classified as a motorcycle and as of last year has been entirely discontinued:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27310639/smart-fortwo-dis...

The main use of these cars was the Car2Go service, which was owned by Mercedes themselves, and that service has also shut down in North America.

They were cute cars, decent for a short trip certainly, but we never saw an all-electric model

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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I wonder why no one mentioned the Smart. Here in Europe they're quite popular in dense cities. One advantage is they can be parked sideways on most streets, which not only helps with finding a spot but is also easier. According to Wikipedia[0], a Smart is actually shorter and it can also be electric. This actually has quite a few shortcomings compared to a Smart: * Cannot carry a passenger * Requires a motorcycle lic…

> One advantage is they can be parked sideways on most streets They advertised this but in reality it's rarely possible. They are 2.5m long and most cars in Europe are E.g. in the UK standard parking is 2.4m wide so a smart sticks out

They have elongated. The first ones were shorter. The park sideways gimmick was part of the original marketing, now they are longer that aspect is not advertised as a feature.

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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we have self-driving cars already, they're called trains

the trains and other forms of public transportation may have to go the way of the other things impacted by covid. The new reality calls for individual, ideally autonomous, vehicles. Especially in the dense cities. Small, electric, may be even 3-wheelers. Sidenote: i wonder whether the lockdown may work as a selection pressure on the covid to produce the more viral, like long living on surfaces, etc., mutation of the…

It's a bit early to say, but in my opinion (as a non-specialist, based on reading them), there will be no "new reality". Covid is a big thing while it spreads, but it won't be a large concern in 2-3 years even if it becomes endemic, especially with better hygiene practices and treatments.

Not even bicycles can even approach the density of a train/metro/bus, which is required to have cities with the density we currently have, and I don't think covid-19 is nearly enough of a threat to make us give up on that.

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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> I'd rather not have a motorcycle. I'd rather not have to suit up in special clothing to try and reduce the chances of injury from accidents which, from talking to motorcycle riding friends, seem to be strangely more common than accidents in cars. It shouldn't be a mystery why motorcycle accidents are more common. A superbike like a Yamaha R1 is capable of 0-100mph in less than 6 seconds, all in first gear. Ownershi…

I ride, and know a lot of people who do, and the amount of injuries from road debris or cars turning left without looking dwarf the crashes from just going too fast. This might be regional though, most places don’t have Bay Area traffic.

That’s how I got my first and last accident. Double parked car made a U-turn in a commercial street without signaling. My front tire got caught under his car, bringing me to a complete stop and flipping me over. I was only doing 15mph.

That ended it for me, bike was totaled, wife decided I stopped and I had no intention in getting involved in a more serious accident. I miss riding, I miss the sensation of freedom.

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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Except the people who ride motorcycles do it for the open air freedom. The high ride and lack of an enclosure also give them superb visibility. This literally none of the merits of a motorcycle and all the detriments, plus all the detriments of a sub compact car. It's like they distilled bad down into a concentrated form.

> This literally none of the merits of a motorcycle and all the detriments Oh please; it doesn't fall over, keeps its occupant dry, protects its occupant more in general, it obviously doesn't have all the detriments of a motorcycle.

You're right, I wonder if they're holding those back for a later revision.

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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I'd rather not have a motorcycle. I'd rather not have to suit up in special clothing to try and reduce the chances of injury from accidents which, from talking to motorcycle riding friends, seem to be strangely more common than accidents in cars. I'd rather not have a car for my daily commute. Driving my large family vehicle for my job is wasteful and inefficient. I almost never need to carry anything large or heavy…

> I'd rather not have a motorcycle. I'd rather not have to suit up in special clothing to try and reduce the chances of injury from accidents which, from talking to motorcycle riding friends, seem to be strangely more common than accidents in cars. It shouldn't be a mystery why motorcycle accidents are more common. A superbike like a Yamaha R1 is capable of 0-100mph in less than 6 seconds, all in first gear. Ownershi…

I don't know why you're downvoted - I might disagree with part of what you wrote, but it's a reasonable point.

I will suggest that motorcycles are inherently more dangerous. A car has four points of contact, so like a table, there's some inherent stability to it. A motorcycle's two points of contact means that stability has to be in some sense active, which seems problematic.

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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>poison the atmosphere every day with a car So you won't mind electric cars then, which fix that problem ?

They don't fix the problem. Nowhere on earth is there a sustainable electrical grid that doesn't pollute the atmosphere, let alone one that supports electric cars for every household. Not only that but electric cars create local pollution in the form of particular matter from brakes and tyres and they are worse than internal combustion engine cars in that regard.

Trains use lots of metal in their construction, and even electric ones might use fossil fuel generated electricity.

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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That's a Tango. Apparently Sergey Brin had one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commuter_Cars_Tango

> 805 hp claimed. !

It's trivial to put a high-power electric motor into a car. It's very difficult to supply that motor with enough juice to actually sustain that kind of power output for a reasonable period of time.

For reference, 800HP is 600kW.

Re: Not quite a car, not quite a motorcycle: a vehicle built for one

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The problem with tricycles is that they are less stable than both motorcycles and cars. Unlike motorcycles, tricycles can't bank on turns, or are very limited in that.

Have you ever seen a Honda Canopy? I have seen them on the streets of Tokyo as if they were racing in the Isle of Man TT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hz35y4Bywg

I also think Polaris Slingshot can pull over 1G in a turn.

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