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Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by Merem »

usrusr wrote: post #278
ido wrote: post #189

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I don't know where you're at but I have never seen this treated as that big of a deal in my 8 years of living in Austria & 7 in Germany unless you're talking to the prime minister (and especially not if you're obviously not a native speaker). Maybe more comparable to addressing someone by their first name instead of Mr./Ms./Mrs. .

Du/Sie and first name/last name are almost without exception divided along the same lines in German. Sie plus first name is how a person with extreme status expectations would address their butler, and just as old-fashioned. "I'm sorry you can never be my peer but I respect you anyways". Last name and Du would be using the last name as a nickname in a decidedly first name situation. Think "bro" but timeless.

"Sie" and first name was used at a smallish company (~50 employees) I worked at previously. It's just a combination of respect and familiarity. Additionally, several women really liked being called by their first name as it "made them feel less old".

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by kazen44 »

StreamBright wrote: post #132
dna_polymerase wrote: post #93

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In Germany, their store managers do inventory manually, which means they have to order items they run low on, no tech insight. Their attempt at setting up SAP failed after burning 500 million on it. Delivery robots, Amazon-style prototypes for cashier-less systems, heck, even Instacart like delivery are nowhere to be found. If Amazon decided to enter the German supermarket landscape, Lidl (also, Aldi and others) woul…

Ironically SAP is also a German company. I have no idea why anybody thinks that using SAP will help any company. One size fits all approach with hilarious failure stories. Still, some managers think it is great. Amazon could not enter the German market that easily, people really like to shop in Aldi / Lidl and the online retail business is not as strong as in the US.

SAP makes a ton of sense if you have a large, complex operation that spans multiple countries.

SAP is terrible yes, but do you know any other way on how to get complex processes from multiple sectors together in a single system?

SAP is basically admitting your logistics and operations became so complex and large that there is no other way to do this more efficiently.

One example is a company which produces ship engines and various other parts. They source all resources from different sub-companies across the globe. From the raw material to final assembly.

All this information needed to be tracked in an ERP system and to be honest, SAP works well in this regard because it has a standardized process (which is terrible i must admit) but atleast it's a standardized process.

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Post by lultimouomo »

delcaran wrote: post #155
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #153

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Just out of curiosity what do you do that earns you 100k in Italy if I may ask? Most Italians I met working in Austria and Germany left Italy because of low salaries and they're not making anything close to 100k here either. I've even met Italians who moved to Eastern Europe for higher tech salaries than back home so something doesn't add up.

Can confirm. As senior software developer I made 25K EUR in 2019.

Depending on where you live and on the company you can get paid more, though not much more.

In 2013 I was paid 27k€ as a junior developer (2 years experience) in Florence, before taxes and employee-paid social security (I think if you count company-paid social security it adds up to around 33k€), but I think I was a bit lucky. I think software engineers making more than 60k€ as employees of an Italian company are exceedingly rare.

You can make twice that as an independent contractor, as long as you charge by project (if you want to be paid hourly you get killed by the sticker price comparison). Being a contractor demands a different skill set though, as the programming is only half of it; how much you make will depend for the most part on how you can deal with the customer.

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Post by hdkrgr »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #269
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in Munich: starting salaries with a masters are 55-60k€ (before tax!) at average car related companies (even for non-CS-grads doing SWE with a physics/math background), 60-70k€ at the actual car companies. Social sciences/other jobs with masters: 42-50k€, below that with a bachelors/apprenticeship. Independent of the education in IT you should be able to reach 50k after 5 years (excluding grunt work) and 80k with a m…

Why can't non Germans get hired at those salaries in car or electronics companies?

1. They absolutely can and do, but many sell themselves short.

2. Big caveat: There are absolutely many conservative managers who insist on speaking perfect German / not switching the team language because of the new junior dev, so there will definitely be job openings where immigrants are discriminated against at those big corporates, but IME that doesn't apply to the companies as a whole.

The reverse is obviously also true: If you want to work in a young, international, open culture, you might prefer startups, but most of them offer lower salaries.

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Post by oneplane »

luckylion wrote: post #143
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I still think it's weird that companies think this helps anything. AWS isn't the same as the Amazon shop. Yes it shares the name and if you go enough levels above management you end up with Bezos but other than that their computers != their shop. Sometimes people then point to the fact that it's still a US company but ironically people try to make that point on their US-created computers using websites on a US-owned…

Amazon said (to Congress, no less) that it does not let it's own team responsible to deciding on which products to buy & sell access confidential sales reports of third party sellers that use their platform. And then it was revealed that they regularly do get access to these information. There's no reasonable expectation that Amazon will not use any data it can easily access to make decisions. I don't find that your…

Sounds like a lot of conspiracy that isn't going be limited to Amazon so it still doesn't make sense to single out their computing company. If you encrypt your data on your public cloud (like you should), then no, the AWS retail company cannot 'get' your data from the AWS Web Services company.

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Post by bigiain »

ido wrote: post #290
ginko wrote: post #285

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*Sie haben

I would guess they misspelled "hasst" ("she hates me")?

I guess 23 year old industrial metal songs aren't shared cultural references on HN the way I'd assumed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q8Od5qJio

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Post by durnygbur »

Lidl and Kaufland stop delivering flyers and leaflets to my place in Poland. First - this is not Germany and we don't waste papper left and right for any formal and informal, solicited and unsolicited communication. Second - I don't want your papper spam, I don't want any spam in any form really.

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Post by rakoo »

jryle70 wrote: post #253
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Nobody would or should trust Amazon, an American company, to actually stand by those promises. It will syphon off any trade secrets and other infos, especially if the NSA asks. It has literally happened. I think after Snowden we should have gotten wise on how much official treaties and promises are worth. Before, this was the thinking of conspiracy nuts. Now it is prudent consideration. Germans would now, the US lite…

This is a weak argument, because that prudence should be extended to Lindl as well. Do you think Lindl would resist if Germany intelligence service (BND) asks, no matter how crazy that may sound now? What is implication for a client, says, in France or Poland?

As a European I'd much rather my data be visible to Germany than the US. We have ties that go beyond commercial agreements, honesty is still something I can believe in concerning Germany, and if all goes bad Germany has far less power over me.

I do agree with you though on the larger point: if caution should be exercised (and it should), then it's safe to assume every byte that goes on a server is to be considered visible to the government that hosts the content _and_ to the government under which the company operates

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Post by ga2arch »

asjw wrote: post #274
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #153

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Just out of curiosity what do you do that earns you 100k in Italy if I may ask? Most Italians I met working in Austria and Germany left Italy because of low salaries and they're not making anything close to 100k here either. I've even met Italians who moved to Eastern Europe for higher tech salaries than back home so something doesn't add up.

That's a completely fair question. I'm a senior developer who works on distributed systems for one of the largest Italian private held financial institutions. To be completely honest I know almost nothing about finance, I just know how to make reliable software for them. I've been there for almost 4 years now, I started as a contractor but they offered a substantial yearly bonus to the base salary so I accepted the h…

Hi, I'm Italian too working in Milan, just wondering if you have any suggestions on how to get these kind of offers, i imagine they don't appear on public places like linkedin.

if you don't mind we can talk about it via email.

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Post by delcaran »

Tade0 wrote: post #186
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Can confirm. As senior software developer I made 25K EUR in 2019.

That's after taxes? That's roughly the salary you'd get in Poland , but with a lower cost of living. Not saying you should relocate or anything - I'm just amazed at the state of the Italian IT job market. I spent a few years in Italy and have a friend who lived and worked in Poland. Hated the experience, but by his account it was the most stable and well paid job he had ever. I never understood how could that be poss…

Yes, that's after taxes. Relocating is on my wishlist but I'm really too afraid to do it.
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