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Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by yread »

wastedhours wrote: post #215
paganel wrote: post #134

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> Salaries are off the charts Just to add another data point, Lidl is also the retailer that pays the best market salaries in the Eastern-European country where I live in (they actually included that in several of their hiring ads), and I'm talking about shop people like cashiers and the people that put things on the shelves. > They are getting into the car sales and recycle business as well. In here they've also ope…

Tu vs voi?

Tu vs vous. Slavic languages (OP says Eastern Europe) use 2nd person plural for formal 'you' as well

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by Merem »

pvitz wrote: post #207
ido wrote: post #189

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I don't know where you're at but I have never seen this treated as that big of a deal in my 8 years of living in Austria & 7 in Germany unless you're talking to the prime minister (and especially not if you're obviously not a native speaker). Maybe more comparable to addressing someone by their first name instead of Mr./Ms./Mrs. .

That might not be an issue on the countryside (everything outside Vienna ;), but it is definitely very impolite to address another adult person with "du" instead of "Sie" if they have not offered you to call them with the informal pronoun. However, that might be different with younger people.

Most definitely. Being relatively young, I don't think it's any different. In a work environment it's always "Sie", until one is offered "du". First name/family name depends on how companies/individuals handle it.

Apart from that, people handle it differently. "Sie" basically always for people older than you and some use "du" for others around your age (unless it's in a more professional setting). There is no difference between the countryside and cities.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by klarws »

neuronic wrote: post #205
verst wrote: post #102

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Trader Joe's in the US is owned by Aldi Nord. How come Trader Joe's is doing well here in the US despite Amazon? I don't know anything about the operations and logistics of Trader Joe's but from a consumer perspective the stores seem very streamlined. In many ways it reminds me of Lidl in Germany (more so than Aldi).

Because the person doesn't know what they are talking about. Germans will never prefer Amazon over known local stores - it's already enough to be an American company these days. People know what that means and they don't want it. Wal-Mart completely crashed and burned in Germany and it already started at the weird greeting person at the entry. When Germans see this, the business is basically already bust. Keep the fa…

> Germany won't have any of the degrading bullshit like Wal-Mart or others in the US.

In some areas yes, I hear that VW workers are paid well. In other areas, you have 400 Euro jobs and forced labor below minimum wage if the "job center" (formerly social security) decides that you need to be a slave.

I don't understand why people here defend Europe as if it were the 1980s. Those times are long gone, perhaps folks here have a sheltered life and only listen to state propaganda.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by sideshowb »

vidarh wrote: post #212
occamrazor wrote: post #166

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I guess you mean the 2nd person form (du or ihr fir singular or plural) instead of the 3rd person plural (Sie), which is the courtesy form fir singular and plural. Yes, in German it’s a big deal, roughly the same as saying “Hey dude” instead of “Good morning Mr Smith”.

> Yes, in German it’s a big deal, roughly the same as saying “Hey dude” instead of “Good morning Mr Smith”. It's been changing for decades across a lot of languages. I grew up in Norway where these forms were dying out as I was a child (70's/80's) and mostly used to older people, to the point where they're now mostly used sarcastically to imply someone is a pompous ass or to very old people or in very formal situatio…

Interesting how currently the formal forms appear to be dying out, but back when English went through the same process it was the informal form ("thee/thou") that died.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by sidcool »

I think the article intends to convey that Lidl is launching some cloud products to compete with a smaller segment of AWS. I would not think it's possible to challenge AWS or Azure (may be even GCP) for the next 5 years.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by TulliusCicero »

neuronic wrote: post #205
verst wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trader Joe's in the US is owned by Aldi Nord. How come Trader Joe's is doing well here in the US despite Amazon? I don't know anything about the operations and logistics of Trader Joe's but from a consumer perspective the stores seem very streamlined. In many ways it reminds me of Lidl in Germany (more so than Aldi).

Because the person doesn't know what they are talking about. Germans will never prefer Amazon over known local stores - it's already enough to be an American company these days. People know what that means and they don't want it. Wal-Mart completely crashed and burned in Germany and it already started at the weird greeting person at the entry. When Germans see this, the business is basically already bust. Keep the fa…

It's true, as an American here in Munich, buying too many groceries at once is anxiety-inducing. I have to limit how much I buy at once, because otherwise it's too much to fit on the conveyor belt, such that I have to wait for items to be scanned so that I can put more things on. Which leads to not being fast though putting things back in the cart (so that I can bag separately later), which pisses everyone off.

I appreciate the low prices, but it also makes buying groceries kind of stressful in a way that was never true in the US.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by mongol »

mhast wrote: post #87
TomMarius wrote: post #50

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It is maybe not world class, but compared to other options in EU, it's first class

I have never been in a Lidl Store I would consider "first class". It's not bad products but they have a few factors that severely limit the impressions. They mostly only carry their own brand with extremely limited options. If you want orange marmalade they have one style from one brand (their own). If you want some other style, find a different store. (This is the case with most of their items besides a small additi…

I don't think it is "random garbage they got a good deal on." I think it is a very conscious and deliberate strategy, and it is custom brands in many cases, indicating a deliberate ordering process rather than random surplus. It is often excellent stuff, for the price.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by bigiain »

Merem wrote: post #232
pvitz wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might not be an issue on the countryside (everything outside Vienna ;), but it is definitely very impolite to address another adult person with "du" instead of "Sie" if they have not offered you to call them with the informal pronoun. However, that might be different with younger people.

Most definitely. Being relatively young, I don't think it's any different. In a work environment it's always "Sie", until one is offered "du". First name/family name depends on how companies/individuals handle it. Apart from that, people handle it differently. "Sie" basically always for people older than you and some use "du" for others around your age (unless it's in a more professional setting). There is no differe…

I wonder if I'm the only person stomping round the house now singing:

Sie!

Sie hast!

Sie Hast Mich!

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by lowercased »

Someone else mentioned 'hubris' here. We had a Lidl open up near us 2 years ago (in the US) - generally good store with good prices. Nice size. We were looking forward to more. We saw where they'd opened some of their stores, and couldn't figure out the justification - some locations just seemed odd. Read a few months later that they were 'scaling back' US development, and new build stores would be about half the size of the one we got (which... isn't huge). They couldn't hire regional people to help them find better locations?

Their inventory system seems out of whack - the stuff we buy regularly will just ... vanish, never to come back. We've been shopping and heard others complain of the same thing - sometimes the same items we were looking for (and had used to buy).

Their in store bakery was initially great - for about a week, then scaled back and rarely has anything fresh - regardless of time of day. You can tell if/when there's been some regional VP to visit that day because the bakery is hot/fresh/piping that day, then... offline. Now... many US folks in grocery stores may not be used to 'good bakeries', and perhaps it was a money loser for them, but... they didn't really give ours a chance to develop with the local shoppers in the first place. Give people more than 2 choices of bread - do it for a month or two, to give people time to try out options, get a rhythm, etc. Buying something, liking it, then coming back 3 days later for more and the bakery is effectively 'closed'... doesn't make you want to come back.

I wish they'd focus more on better in store inventory/stocking before moving to be an AWS-killer....

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