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Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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You can hear everything. Coughs and other sharp noises go straight through ANC headphones. You're exposed to everything. People will tap you on the shoulder. While I'm the same as you, I don't particularly enjoy the feeling of having noise cancellation headphones on for the entire workday - it starts to feel a bit vertigo-ey. Some people don't like making small talk.

> don't particularly enjoy the feeling of having noise cancellation headphones on for the entire workday - it starts to feel a bit vertigo-ey.

Ay. It shouldn't be acceptable that those who prefer / need quiet are expected to block out the outside world with headphones and earplugs and Phil the motormouth is allowed to run his jaw all day.

The default should be either Phil takes his chit chat to a private room (offices for everyone) or he shuts the fuck up unless it's a dedicated discussion time.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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Finally! Bring back some sanity to the office! Get rid of the open office! And all it took was a little virus that can decimate the human civilization. If companies want to cram their employees together, and make them sit shoulder to shoulder on a little table, then just let us work from home. We don’t need to be smashed together like sardines in a can. By keeping us so close to one another, without physical distanci…

What? and deprive the managers of being able to lord over their domain? They get the fits if they don't see hundreds bent over in servitude.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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Working from home for the past 3 months taught me that a lot of my constant tiredness and apathy came from the constant noise you get in an open office. Some people can't handle being productive in a extremely loud, and extremely bright environment. It doesn't matter how much I destroyed my hearing by putting loud music over noise-cancelling headphones, I always felt tired after ~2 hours of work. Open offices seem to…

> I destroyed my hearing by putting loud music over noise-cancelling headphones

Huh? The point of noise-cancelling headphones (at least to me) is that you can drown out the rest of the noise with fairly quiet music.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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I don't feel I have some kind of mental safety in open office. Bell labs are best kinds of office where you have offices with hub common area for your team where you can go out and discuss stuff.

My preference is to go to the pub to brainstorm over burgers and beer. I did work for a small biz where the owner would take us all out on Friday for that purpose. Most productive place I ever worked at. Eventually got bought out by a much bigger biz and it all went south.

It is. Gets you out of your head, and having a dedicated "idea discussion time" means you have all week to think on and refine your ideas. Less wasted breath on half cooked BS.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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I have worked in private offices, team spaces, and open plan.

Having a private office was great, but a team space I shared a few years ago - rented just for that team, for around three months - was astonishingly productive for all of us, with almost none of the downsides of open plan.

As far as open plan goes: it is worse for mental health, productivity, and creativity. There is ample evidence to support those assertions ( https://theconversation.com/a-new-study-should-be-the-final-...).

The only advantage open plan has is that it is cheaper, per person, than any alternative - if you only factor in the cost of office space.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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Firstly it's that you seem available for interruption, either by managers or coworkers equally. Most people don't understand how harmful that is. Managers vs makers schedule explains this. Secondly, however, is the inability to control my own environment. Some days I'd like it to be dark, some light. Sometimes I'm cold, sometimes I'm hot. Or I want loud music or silence. Etc. You might think these are all minor thing…

> Managers vs makers schedule explains this.

It's like Donald Knuth's argument for not using e-mail. "Most people need to stay on top of things, but I need to get to the bottom of things." The open office works great for staying on top of things, but is not a good environment for getting to the bottom of things.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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>I feel like you'd miss out on so much collaborative effort and serendipitous & spontaneous conversations with colleagues that solve problems out of the blue.

It's easier to get more connected than less connected.

For example facilitate social discussions by adding shared spaces, as it relies on the estates department. Comparatively, noise and interruptions are a lot harder to hchange as it relies on behaviour.

Solving hard problems requires focus time. You constantly fight against focus time in an open office.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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> This topic seems to come up time and time again on here. As someone young and new to the industry I have only ever experienced open plan offices, so I don't really know what the alternative is like.

I appreciate your open mind on the subject!

> However I'm inclined to say I don't think I would enjoy cubicles or private offices. I feel like you'd miss out on so much collaborative effort and serendipitous & spontaneous conversations with colleagues that solve problems out of the blue.

This is very unsettling to hear: That's the exact kind of hand-wavy argument that managers make.

Truthfully, I can't help but think of Stockholm syndrome when I read that sentence.

Here's the clencher: If you can't collaborate effectively in a private office or from home, there's a systemic mechanism failure. If your team or company isn't setup for effective communication, you will find yourself trapped in an open office plan and believing they're the only way to work.

However, the real problem is buried: Your team/company either cannot effectively collaborate outside of an artificial environment, or at least believes that to be the case. Assuming this is true: Why?

For background, I've worked remote for most of my career, but at the start, I had an open office job (and a two hour commute each way, consisting of an hour walk to the nearest bus stop and an hour bus ride to downtown Orlando, because the job didn't pay well enough to consider purchasing a car). In hindsight, it was a miserable experience, but at the time I just coped with it.

> I also think it's just plain isolating being on your own in a room all day.

Easy lifehack: Don't do that. Working remote doesn't require you do that. Working in a private office doesn't require you do that.

If you have a private office, you can also schedule 1:1 meetings in your office.

If you're working from home, take regular breaks to talk to your family/neighbors/etc. Pet your dogs. Dogs need love too!

> What's wrong with just putting some headphones on if you want to put your head down and do some deep, quiet work?

What's wrong with putting your jams on the speakers, rather than headphones, in your home office and standing up to dance when a good song comes on your playlist to get your blood flowing?

Different strokes.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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post #13

Working from home for the past 3 months taught me that a lot of my constant tiredness and apathy came from the constant noise you get in an open office. Some people can't handle being productive in a extremely loud, and extremely bright environment. It doesn't matter how much I destroyed my hearing by putting loud music over noise-cancelling headphones, I always felt tired after ~2 hours of work. Open offices seem to…

It's also possible that higher co2 levels could be making you tired. I have been seeing more and more studies on high co2 levels in crowded offices causing measurable effects.

Re: Ask HN: Why are you against open plan offices?

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I'm not actually against open plan offices....at team level. I'm against open plan offices at large corp level. I have 300 people on my floor, the group closest to us is from business and spends 2/4 hours a day on the phone. It saddens me because the largest openly claimed benefit of Open Plan offices is "increase collaboration". What I literally see is people locking themselves with headphones and trying to hide in…

Yup, a room for the team is perfect. And then a gatekeeper (team lead) at the door everything has to go through.
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