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Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by afiori »

realharo wrote: post #94
phrz wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not specific to Surface Go 2) I assure you there is sometimes a reason, which in my mind can be generalized as lack of attention to detail: I deployed Surface Laptop 3’s to my SMB and now hairline screen cracking [1] is popping up left and right. Why? Because MS opted not to put a rubber gasket around their screens so when they changed from fabric to metal wrist rests, the imperfect closure fit led to pieces of sand…

After being subscribed to Louis Rossmann's YouTube channel for a while, I'm not sure Macs are much better in that regard (e.g. butterfly keyboard issues and replacement program, the bizarre cooling solution in new MacBook Air, pin layout that's very susceptible to liquid damage, etc.)

Most of Louis' criticism of Apple are not about the frequency of problems, rather on how they treat the consumer once problems happen.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by tastyminerals2 »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #113
tastyminerals2 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree in case of Surface Book. I didn't try Go. This is a powerful premium laptop which can be used not only for pleasant programming experience due to good keyboard and 4k screen but also gaming due to powerful GPU card. It does not get hot and loud as much as any traditional gaming laptop with the same GPU card because GPU and CPU are separated (GPU under the keyboard and CPU in the detachable screen). I mean…

Funny how different people come to different conclusions. I have a Book 2 and I regret it almost every day. The dock constantly runs out of USB resources, when I detach the tablet the external screen configuration gets f...ed up in random ways forcing me to rearrange screens and font sizes for a few minutes, the tablet mode feels very awkward to use and for its spec and price the Book 2 is not very fast. My company a…

Emm, screen config not retained is an OS issue and not a laptop tbo. I agree that tablet mode is not convenient but you are free to stay in desktop mode. USB resources are not enough but I never ran out of USB ports because I have no use for them. I connect everything via Bluetooth, mouse, headphones. Mini display port for external monitor.

Yes, for the price of ~2k you can buy a more powerful laptop. But how less powerful a 1.5 year old Surface i7 with GTX1060 even nowadays? I think the whole performance debate is a big exaggeration unless you're getting into high-end gaming on 4k resolutions or deep learning. If I needed power, I would never go with a laptop no matter how powerful it is. Buy a PC because this is what they are for.

I am personally over with classical monoblock laptops with GPU and CPU squeezed together. It feels just dated.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by masklinn »

phrz wrote: post #84
tastyminerals wrote: post #54

I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

(Not specific to Surface Go 2) I assure you there is sometimes a reason, which in my mind can be generalized as lack of attention to detail: I deployed Surface Laptop 3’s to my SMB and now hairline screen cracking [1] is popping up left and right. Why? Because MS opted not to put a rubber gasket around their screens so when they changed from fabric to metal wrist rests, the imperfect closure fit led to pieces of sand…

Hah. Reminds me of getting shards of plastic in my wrists from the original whitebook: the screen lid had two hard plastic "feet" rather than some rubber thing, over time the pressure and variour other stresses (that thing was full of hairline cracks all over the body) would chip away right where your wrists would rest: https://discussions.apple.com/content/attachment/155554040

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by gmaster1440 »

tw04 wrote: post #135
gmaster1440 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't take my word for it, or your peers. Just google around for surface trackpad reviews and feedback. I'm sure it's fine for plenty of people, but I'm not alone with my opinion.

After 30 seconds of searching, I found exactly my experience: people find the trackpads equal, generally prefer the physical button of the surface, and prefer the more advanced gestures that Apple has provided. Regardless, I'll trust my own experience and those of peers I know are unbiased to someone who may or may not be getting paid for their review online.

If by "advanced gestures" you're referring to two-finger touch right-click, or two-finger scroll smoothness, then I would agree. I'm not even trying to hold Microsoft trackpad to the same standard of four-finger advanced gestures on the Mac, just what I would consider to be really basic stuff.

I can see though that someone who prefers physical buttons on the trackpad would not have the same complaints...

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by mattferderer »

realharo wrote: post #100
tastyminerals wrote: post #54

I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

Windows does have its flaws (e.g. the useless built-in search), but its window management and taskbar UI is the best of any OS I've ever seen - the live previews on hover, the way it interacts with middle click just like browser tabs/links, the window snapping with multiple monitors, etc. We'll see what WSL 2 brings to the table.

What's wrong with the built-in search?

I'll agree the start menu search can be slow on occasion & instead of giving me an app will give me a Bing search on IE. That's my only complaint. Otherwise I like how I can search for just about anything with it.

I'm a huge fan of the processes/windows search (Ctrl+Win) to help me find an app on a different visual desktop or a browser tab hidden among the weeds.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by jrs95 »

phrz wrote: post #84
tastyminerals wrote: post #54

I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

(Not specific to Surface Go 2) I assure you there is sometimes a reason, which in my mind can be generalized as lack of attention to detail: I deployed Surface Laptop 3’s to my SMB and now hairline screen cracking [1] is popping up left and right. Why? Because MS opted not to put a rubber gasket around their screens so when they changed from fabric to metal wrist rests, the imperfect closure fit led to pieces of sand…

The funny thing is they advertised this as a feature when it was launched because it was supposed to be more aesthetically pleasing and not collect dust etc. I guess there's a reason Apple still uses rubber after all...

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by jrs95 »

nfoz wrote: post #36

Off-topic, but I wish they would make a "Surface Laptop Pro". The Surface Laptop is more like an "air" with its limited connectivity (ports). Whereas the more capable Surface Book is a bit awkward as a laptop.

Also in terms of TDP and lack of a dedicated graphics card. And then with the Surface Book, not only is it more awkward as a laptop but because all but the GPU is in the screen the hardware has the same constraints as a tablet. Even with the excessive thinness of the 16" MacBook Pro, it can run circles around any of the Surface devices in terms of performance.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

realharo wrote: post #94
phrz wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not specific to Surface Go 2) I assure you there is sometimes a reason, which in my mind can be generalized as lack of attention to detail: I deployed Surface Laptop 3’s to my SMB and now hairline screen cracking [1] is popping up left and right. Why? Because MS opted not to put a rubber gasket around their screens so when they changed from fabric to metal wrist rests, the imperfect closure fit led to pieces of sand…

After being subscribed to Louis Rossmann's YouTube channel for a while, I'm not sure Macs are much better in that regard (e.g. butterfly keyboard issues and replacement program, the bizarre cooling solution in new MacBook Air, pin layout that's very susceptible to liquid damage, etc.)

Apple has curiously "periods" -- there are times in which they build reliable stuff and then there are times in which they just don't. E.g. 10 year old MacBooks which still work despite the fact that they are heavily dented, while the new keyboard breaks just by staring at it wrongly.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by chihuahua »

cosmodisk wrote: post #50

What I really don't get is how companies get away with shipping any model that has 4GB of RAM. I mean,come on, it's 2020. The OS running idle probably needs more than that,not even mentioning opening a few tabs in Chrome.

This is not true. On my Windows laptop with 4GB, there's 2GB free when running Chrome/Edge with a few tabs, and almost 1GB free when I open Teams in addition to the browser.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Post by partiallypro »

rsynnott wrote: post #55
tastyminerals wrote: post #54

I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

This isn't a laptop and suffers from a bit of "neither one thing nor another" syndrome; it can be used as either a kinda awkward tablet, or a _really_ awkward laptop (good luck using one on your lap on a plane or train or something, say). I think a certain amount of scepticism is warranted. If you _just_ want a laptop, a laptop will be far better than this thing. If you just want a tablet, an iPad will be far better…

I've never understood this complaint. I've had multiple Surface Pros and have never had problems with it in my lap, even on long train rides abroad.
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