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I think you forgot to include cost of engineers in this calculation.
An iron rule of these discussions is that when someone objects to non-cloud solutions on the grounds of staff costs, they have not actually calculated the staff costs.
It's also for speed to market... Our Infra setup where I work is extremely slow and at times takes over 1 month to setup a database.... and a VM about the same.
I agree with you OP. Our company provides on-premise ERP systems to small (we’re talking at most 20 person companies) wholesale distributors. Pre-COVID, I was pushing for a cloud solution to our product and pivoting our company towards that model. We’re at a hybrid approach when COVID hit. What ends up happening with an on-premise/hybrid cloud model is we end up doing a lot of the sysadmin/IT support work for our cus…
Deja vu. I think you totally hit the nail on the head with that last paragraph. On-premise ERP systems probably only make real sense for (non-small) companies that wish to avoid relying on the internet (because e.g. their business strategy requires that freedom) and can hire long-term sysadmins/programmers that can provide support to those systems.
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If web site caters to EU customers, just rent it from the EU datacenter, no need for a cloud. A Hetzner server costs $100/month, an equivalent amount of cloud resources will run you into thousands.
And how much does Hetzners nosql/relational db, emr solution, faas, etc cost? Solutions aren’t built the traditional way anymore. You don’t go get some cots server and write everything yourself. So while you’re futzing around getting a database installed, tuned and setup the engineer using a more complete cloud platform has already moved onto business logic.
Like many others have pointed out: Cost. I'm the CTO of a moderately sized gaming community, Hypixel Minecraft, who operates about 700 rented dedicated machines to service 70k-100k concurrent players. We push about 4PB/mo in egress bandwidth, something along the lines of 32gbps 95th-percentile. The big cloud providers have repeatedly quoted us an order of magnitude more than our entire fleet's cost....JUST in bandwid…
I'd like to chat with you about this; we charge a flat rate for dedicated connections and about 95-97% less than AWS on egress and are just starting to talk to people about it - it's how we picked up Zoom and 8x8 (bi-directional video has huge egress charges). Let me know if you are open to chatting, there wasn't a "exec team" link on your webpage to reach you directly.
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> We also have a number of machines with specs that would be hard to get e.g. on AWS. What specs are those? I was under the impression AWS has everything from extremely tiny to giant terabytes-of-ram-for-SAP instance types.
We would need something like an X1 instance in terms of RAM, but it's hard to find something on AWS that has a well-tuned balance of RAM/CPU/disk for our needs. A lot of the big specialized instances are tuned for one particular limiting factor (RAM/GPU/storage/CPU/bandwidth/whatever) and I don't recall them having a good selection for "really big everything". Amazon is constantly expanding the selection, so it's pos…
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And how much does Hetzners nosql/relational db, emr solution, faas, etc cost? Solutions aren’t built the traditional way anymore. You don’t go get some cots server and write everything yourself. So while you’re futzing around getting a database installed, tuned and setup the engineer using a more complete cloud platform has already moved onto business logic.
The person above wrote that she can't use local server to cater to US and EU customers. I pointed out that you don't need cloud to resolve that problem.
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I think you forgot to include cost of engineers in this calculation.
It's a 1 person part-time job. Most of the work goes into coordinating package updates with Ansible. I can include $1000 in the calculation if that makes you feel better ;) Everything is deployed with Ansible, monitored with Monit. The servers have redundant PSUs and SATA hot-swappable HDDs, so you can fix minor hardware issues without having to reboot. As the result, we have more than a year of uptime on a typical s…
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[offtopic] Awesome seeing you here! I used to be super active on Hypixel when I was in high school (I was actually #1 on the leaderboards for one of the games for over a year). One of my first large scale programming projects ever was creating a Hypixel mod for my guild. Years later I am now a software engineer working at Google on the YouTube algorithm!
Great to hear! Lots of the people who learned how to code because of Minecraft have ended up all over the industry. It's where I got my start, as well as many of my coworkers. That's part of our passion for making Hytale, to empower the next generation of youth who want a game they can tinker with and use to learn. If you haven't seen it yet definitely go take a look, got lots of cool plans for moddability and custom…
Have lots of fond memories of those early years, especially Minecon 2013.
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The person above wrote that she can't use local server to cater to US and EU customers. I pointed out that you don't need cloud to resolve that problem.
Hetzner is a cloud, as per their own literature but my point being if you buy Hetzner you’re not getting a complete platform. You are buying into a platform just less of one. Hetzner also advertises themselves as thrifty, not exactly instilling confidence for critical infrastructures. My point remains though, buying a VPS is equivalent to an EC2 and this is not how things are built these days. Also note the posters n…