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Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by kelnos »

IgorPartola wrote: post #66

As a way to show off the capability of ligatures, more power to them. As an effort to censor, why in the ever loving fuck nuggets would you ever actually do that? I have young kids and a large family. We all curse periodically. Instead of telling the kids that these are bad words, we told them they are adult words. As in, when you are old enough you can curse all you want, but as a kid you can’t. We felt that this wa…

Couldn't agree more. They're just words. Sure, words that have been used to target particular groups of people to oppress and demean them shouldn't be used. But your garden variety swear words? Whatever.

> “Fk you” is just as powerful a statement as “fuck you”.

This always grates on me. Do people actually think they're not swearing, or the impact is less, simply because they leave out letters or replace some letters with a dash or asterisk? It just strikes me as childishness.

FWIW, I think you've done an excellent job of teaching your kids to develop a healthy relationship with swearing. I especially appreciate you going into the nuances of a word like "hell" with them; intent and context does matter. I wish there were more parents like you.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by EGreg »

jawns wrote: post #83
IgorPartola wrote: post #66

As a way to show off the capability of ligatures, more power to them. As an effort to censor, why in the ever loving fuck nuggets would you ever actually do that? I have young kids and a large family. We all curse periodically. Instead of telling the kids that these are bad words, we told them they are adult words. As in, when you are old enough you can curse all you want, but as a kid you can’t. We felt that this wa…

Around middle school, I decided that I would stop using swear words, because it seemed like getting myself in trouble by letting one slip out at an inappropriate time was more of a bother than just avoiding them and coming up with more inventive ways to express myself. Refraining from curse words has been part of my character ever since, and just about everybody who knows me knows that I don't swear. And you know wha…

Willard Smith Jr! is that you?

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by gnufx »

fortran77 wrote: post #205
IgorPartola wrote: post #66

As a way to show off the capability of ligatures, more power to them. As an effort to censor, why in the ever loving fuck nuggets would you ever actually do that? I have young kids and a large family. We all curse periodically. Instead of telling the kids that these are bad words, we told them they are adult words. As in, when you are old enough you can curse all you want, but as a kid you can’t. We felt that this wa…

I think you missed the humor of the creator of this font. He clearly is doing it as a technical demo.

Yes, I think it's a local site for local people and others who don't need that explaining. That may be more obvious from the home page. (Who is "he" amongst the contributors?)

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by gnufx »

Myrmornis wrote: post #52
parenthesis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do, and the Mary Whitehouse Experience.

It’s funny that Pink Floyd were having a go at MW back on Animals — she did a good job of getting under the skin of several decades of young people apparently.

That's history today, that is.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by jedimastert »

thepete2 wrote: post #69

There is a video [0] about this censoring-"problem" by Youtuber Tom Scott. He talks about how it's impossible to implement with all edge-cases, easy to circumvent and thus usually not a good idea. Fittingly, the video is filmed in Peniston. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZdwX4noCE

IIRC, he actually mentions "Scunthorpe" in the video.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by markdown »

jawns wrote: post #83
IgorPartola wrote: post #66

As a way to show off the capability of ligatures, more power to them. As an effort to censor, why in the ever loving fuck nuggets would you ever actually do that? I have young kids and a large family. We all curse periodically. Instead of telling the kids that these are bad words, we told them they are adult words. As in, when you are old enough you can curse all you want, but as a kid you can’t. We felt that this wa…

Around middle school, I decided that I would stop using swear words, because it seemed like getting myself in trouble by letting one slip out at an inappropriate time was more of a bother than just avoiding them and coming up with more inventive ways to express myself. Refraining from curse words has been part of my character ever since, and just about everybody who knows me knows that I don't swear. And you know wha…

So what do you use? Gosh darn it to heck? What the frick?

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by faster »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #189
faster wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When my daughter was about 5 we were on public transit and a bunch of teens were talking near us. Every second or third word was 'fuck' or 'shit'. My daughter asked why they talk that way. I told her it was because they didn't know enough words to say what they meant. 15 years later, she speaks two languages fluently and 2 more at about middle school level. She swears a little, but she knows how to say what she means…

That's just your victorian judgementalness coming out. It has nothing to do with vocabulary. And it certainly has nothing to do with how many languages your kid knows. Anyone who grew up with conservative parents rolled their eyes at your post. "Ok dad". Btw, she just learned to swear when you're not around. And when you eventually find this out, rest assured it's not that you failed her vocabulary, it's just because…

Of course she learned to swear from her friends. For better or worse, that's where most people I know learned to fit in with their peers and confuse their parents. That and older siblings who were a little farther along the path toward individuation.

What would you tell a five year old about the reason for nearly content-free conversation?

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Post by bscphil »

adrianmonk wrote: post #190
IgorPartola wrote: post #66

As a way to show off the capability of ligatures, more power to them. As an effort to censor, why in the ever loving fuck nuggets would you ever actually do that? I have young kids and a large family. We all curse periodically. Instead of telling the kids that these are bad words, we told them they are adult words. As in, when you are old enough you can curse all you want, but as a kid you can’t. We felt that this wa…

I would further refine them from "adult" words to "coarse" words. Everyone needs to know when to be polite and when to be coarse as various situations require. (It's a social skill.) Furthermore, they need to be capable of being polite when required. As a child, you can't be allowed to be coarse all the time because learning politeness takes practice and work, so it'd be like skipping your homework in this area. At s…

This is a really good take, and in my opinion strikes a needed balance between two extreme opinions that seem to be dominating this thread:

"Swear words don't matter at all, they're just words like any other word. You should teach them to your children and allow them to swear at home. Everyone should be able and willing to swear at all times and in all situations, even during diplomacy missions."

"Swear words are only used by ignorant and stupid people, because they immediately reveal that you have no better vocabulary for the situation. I don't use swear words ever, because I, an intelligent person, am always in control of my emotions and have a total grasp of the vocabulary of my native language."

Obviously these positions are exaggerated for comedic effect, but you do see some comments come pretty close! In my opinion, both fail to realize that in the normal course of human life we encounter a wide range of situations that call for formality or casualness. Not being too uptight about one's language can help smooth the latter, and it doesn't mean one isn't able to precisely control one's language in the former.

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