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Re: Progress on Plasma

#81

Post by huftis »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #32
flyingpenguin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to defend Gnome because I also can't stand it over KDE most of the time, but I think GNOME is built for one actually useful thing... laptops. Gnome feels good on a computer with a single small display.

I'm probably the last person who still uses Unity and it's for this exact reason. I set the launch bar to auto hide and use the compiz Expose clone hot corners to switch windows. It all just gets out of the way. I don't know why Gnome didn't adopt the Unity menu bar integration, instead you get to waste space on the taskbar on the bottom AND that useless status bar on the top.

FYI, KDE/Plasma supports all of those features you mentioned:

1. You can set the launcher/taskbar/panel to auto-hide. 2. You can set up the screen corners (or a keyboard shortcut) to show an Exposé-style view of all running applications/windows. 3. You can have a global menu bar.

Re: Progress on Plasma

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Post by WhatIsDukkha »

diminish wrote: post #2

I'm more curious if snap/flakpak-based installations will benefit Ubuntu Studio more than servers and other desktops.

One of the primary benefits on audio side of Studio iirc is that the Jack audio server is installed and working.

Jack, at this point, doesn't work/sandbox well with flatpak (or snap).

Redhat is leading an effort to create Pipewire which will act as a kind of combination of Jack(low latency) and PulseAudio(modern desktop features) that also fold in video routing.

As part of the design goals of Pipewire it will sandbox well with flatpak etc.

I'm sure there will be lots of whining and noise from poorly informed users but I think it's going to be pretty great when it gets there.

Re: Progress on Plasma

#83

Post by heavyset_go »

simonh wrote: post #59

Why is it that the basic unit of distribution for anything Linux is a Distro? Want to serve web applications? Here’s a server distro. Want to work on penetration testing? Here’s a distro. Want to develop embedded systems? Another Distro. Creative arts? Distro again. The OS level fragmentation of Linux is maddening, when you consider that what these actually all are is different operating systems. Why does the Ubuntu…

> Want to serve web applications? Here’s a server distro. Want to work on penetration testing? Here’s a distro. Want to develop embedded systems? Another Distro. Creative arts? Distro again.

The distro you're looking for is Debian, and, if you exclude embedded, any up-to-date popular distro.

> It seems like I should be able to install Ubuntu desktop distro with a KDE desktop package selected from the repo, then select all these creative apps and bingo - I’ve got Ubuntu Studio.

Install the Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu etc metapackages and you'll have what you want. This is a non-issue.

Linux is only a single entity at the kernel-level. You're getting mad at the diverse community that consumes the kernel for not acting in unison.

Specialized distros are for people who have a specific use-case they want support for out of the box, without having to configure certain subsystems from scratch to solve their particular problem.

The number of distros is an artifact of free licensing/copyright and people working on their problems and collaborating only when solutions to those problems overlap.

Re: Progress on Plasma

#84

Post by cycloptic »

simonh wrote: post #59

Why is it that the basic unit of distribution for anything Linux is a Distro? Want to serve web applications? Here’s a server distro. Want to work on penetration testing? Here’s a distro. Want to develop embedded systems? Another Distro. Creative arts? Distro again. The OS level fragmentation of Linux is maddening, when you consider that what these actually all are is different operating systems. Why does the Ubuntu…

>It seems like I should be able to install Ubuntu desktop distro with a KDE desktop package selected from the repo, then select all these creative apps and bingo - I’ve got Ubuntu Studio.

You can do this quite easily. If you're already on Ubuntu it's as simple as enabling the universe repository and then doing this:

    apt-get install 'ubuntustudio-*'
Which installs a bunch of metapackages, some themes and some performance tweaks. That's all there is to it, everything is in the same repos and there really isn't any fragmentation. From the Ubuntu side it's all based on the same Debian and the majority of Debian packages will run without issue. The presentation of all these different distros is just marketing.

Re: Progress on Plasma

#85

Post by Quekid5 »

kevinherron wrote: post #66
Quekid5 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE works much better for me, personally. Just avoid the aboslute shitshow that is Kubuntu. (I know they try hard, but...) Go for a distro that follows upstream more closely.

Yes, I've settled on Manjaro KDE since the demise of Antergos. Do vanilla Arch once for the experience and then find better things to do with your time after that...

I honestly don't understand the idea that Arch is time-consuming or weird... but maybe my needs are less esoteric than the rest of the world.

I'm just a bit mystified, but... whatever makes it work for you.

Re: Progress on Plasma

#86

Post by hawski »

simonh wrote: post #59

Why is it that the basic unit of distribution for anything Linux is a Distro? Want to serve web applications? Here’s a server distro. Want to work on penetration testing? Here’s a distro. Want to develop embedded systems? Another Distro. Creative arts? Distro again. The OS level fragmentation of Linux is maddening, when you consider that what these actually all are is different operating systems. Why does the Ubuntu…

The devil is in defaults.

If at anytime ostree or Nix-like distributions will take over, then I would expect more "channels", "repositories" or other wie-heißt-ers, than distros.

Re: Progress on Plasma

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Post by Kaze404 »

simonh wrote: post #59

Why is it that the basic unit of distribution for anything Linux is a Distro? Want to serve web applications? Here’s a server distro. Want to work on penetration testing? Here’s a distro. Want to develop embedded systems? Another Distro. Creative arts? Distro again. The OS level fragmentation of Linux is maddening, when you consider that what these actually all are is different operating systems. Why does the Ubuntu…

That's not true.

> Want to serve web applications?

apt-get install nginx

> Want to work on penetration testing?

apt-get install nmap netcat

> Want to develop embedded systems?

I don't even know what you need for that besides ssh and busybox, honestly.

> Creative arts?

apt-get install gimp

Re: Progress on Plasma

#88

Post by kevinherron »

Quekid5 wrote: post #85
kevinherron wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I've settled on Manjaro KDE since the demise of Antergos. Do vanilla Arch once for the experience and then find better things to do with your time after that...

I honestly don't understand the idea that Arch is time-consuming or weird... but maybe my needs are less esoteric than the rest of the world. I'm just a bit mystified, but... whatever makes it work for you.

I'm not implying that Arch is time consuming once you set it up... but if you can't see how installing Arch is more time consuming than installing Manjaro you're just being intentionally dense and contrarian.

Re: Progress on Plasma

#89

Post by jerrysievert »

not sure why the title of this has changed. previously it was "Ubuntu Studio: Progress on Switch to KDE Plasma", which while it does not match the title on the linked site was informative as to what the post was about.

it is now "Progress on Plasma" (matching the site), which given hn's diversity could mean near anything. the context is easy to figure out if you're browsing ubuntustudio.org, but difficult to figure out if not in that context.

I've noticed quite a few of these changes lately, and understand the request to "Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize", but adding context to a very generic title isn't editorializing.

Re: Progress on Plasma

#90

Post by aibara »

huftis wrote: post #81
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm probably the last person who still uses Unity and it's for this exact reason. I set the launch bar to auto hide and use the compiz Expose clone hot corners to switch windows. It all just gets out of the way. I don't know why Gnome didn't adopt the Unity menu bar integration, instead you get to waste space on the taskbar on the bottom AND that useless status bar on the top.

FYI, KDE/Plasma supports all of those features you mentioned: 1. You can set the launcher/taskbar/panel to auto-hide. 2. You can set up the screen corners (or a keyboard shortcut) to show an Exposé-style view of all running applications/windows. 3. You can have a global menu bar.

You can get pretty close to emulating Unity's interface with Plasma, especially if you use Latte-dock. But there are still certain things that can't be done; the biggest to me is having the menu bar (File, Edit, etc.) in the title bar of all the windows (a global menu at the top works though). You can get a button that then gives you those options, which is close but an extra click.
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